[Ben Holmes]

Anytime someone uses the phrase "common sense" when it comes to the JFK case, you can be ABSOLUTELY SURE that someone is trying to evade the actual evidence.

It's often said, for example, that it's merely "common sense" that a bullet striking JFK, and not ending up in the limo, must have struck Connally.

This is a lie, and based on a number of implied assertions that will never be spelled out.

The first assumption that will never be explained is that the bullet *TRANSITED* JFK's body.

There never has been any medical evidence for such a transit, and during the autopsy, none was found.

One cannot simply draw a line between wounds - because the first thing a believer has to do is move the wound. (as was HISTORICALLY done by the Warren Commission)

Nor will someone asserting the SBT as "common sense" ever publicly admit that this is based on speculations made after the autopsy was over.

And evidence shows that this speculation of transit wasn't made that first weekend, as is often pre-supposed... Rankin makes it clear in January that the autopsy report *HE* was reading was ascribing the throat wound to a fragment from the head shot...

This shows that there was a bit of evidence shuffling going on in the government... or that Rankin couldn't read.

So anytime the phrase "common sense" occurs in this case... start examining the underlying hidden assumptions being made.

Because someone is CERTAINLY lying...

[Patrick C]

(05-04-2017, 07:15 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  Anytime someone uses the phrase "common sense" when it comes to the JFK case, you can be ABSOLUTELY SURE that someone is trying to evade the actual evidence.

It's often said, for example, that it's merely "common sense" that a bullet striking JFK, and not ending up in the limo, must have struck Connally.

This is a lie, and based on a number of implied assertions that will never be spelled out.

The first assumption that will never be explained is that the bullet *TRANSITED* JFK's body.

There never has been any medical evidence for such a transit, and during the autopsy, none was found.

One cannot simply draw a line between wounds - because the first thing a believer has to do is move the wound. (as was HISTORICALLY done by the Warren Commission)

Nor will someone asserting the SBT as "common sense" ever publicly admit that this is based on speculations made after the autopsy was over.

And evidence shows that this speculation of transit wasn't made that first weekend, as is often pre-supposed... Rankin makes it clear in January that the autopsy report *HE* was reading was ascribing the throat wound to a fragment from the head shot...

This shows that there was a bit of evidence shuffling going on in the government... or that Rankin couldn't read.

So anytime the phrase "common sense" occurs in this case... start examining the underlying hidden assumptions being made.

Because someone is CERTAINLY lying...

The SBT is based on evidence and logic Ben. It is without any  doubt the most "common sense" explanation for the non fatal wounds of JFK and JBC. Period.

I have not posted here in a long time - I am sure I have not missed much. 

There is a relatively new book by Robert (Bob) Wagner in which he argues against the SBT though he believes in the lone assassin scenario. I have not started the book yet so I cannot say what his theory is - obviously that akin to Jim Moore and Mark Furhman....

The Assassination of JFK: Perspectives Half A Century Later 

I have become much more swayed by the two shot only theory recently, however it is impossible to know if that is the historical truth.

I came across a theory recently in which Jackie Kennedy shot JFK with a small pocket sized pistol. There seems no end to the nutcases that this case can attract.

I don't agree with your assertion about the limo - it is possible the bullet exited the limosine without striking anyone and was picked up by a child or dog - it is possible.

However bruising to the pleura and vertebrae "tissues" indicates the missile transited - so there is evidence you say does not exist.

The wound was not tracked because of course it was not know that the trach covered a bullet wound - if that been known the wound would have been probed. As you know 9 + hours after death, the body starts rigour and it is not uncommon for a bullet path to be smaller than the bullet itself.

One cannot prove the SBT - but it certainly works and explains the Connally ovoid wound and the lesser wounding than that reasonably expected from a direct strike.

You would have a very tough job defending a non transit in a debate or court of law.

Of course Connally is visibly reacting by Z236 just 14 frames or around 3/4 second after he was hit.....at Z222 probably.

With virtually no reports of two shots right on top of each other from different loctions, one must reasonably conclude one shot caused the non fatal wounds.

It is a shame so much focus is given to the SBT by conspiracy buffs and even more so to the Grassy Knoll gunman nonsense / red herring. It is Oswald's activities in New Orleans and Mexico City that hold any key to any hint of conspiracy and it is those areas that should be the focus. 

I wonder what would have happened if Marina had reconciled with Lee on that Thursday night and Oswald had decided to call in and take the day off......how would the plotters have dealt with that....?

[Ben Holmes]

(05-04-2017, 08:46 PM)Hollywood Wrote:  

(05-04-2017, 07:15 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  Anytime someone uses the phrase "common sense" when it comes to the JFK case, you can be ABSOLUTELY SURE that someone is trying to evade the actual evidence.

It's often said, for example, that it's merely "common sense" that a bullet striking JFK, and not ending up in the limo, must have struck Connally.

This is a lie, and based on a number of implied assertions that will never be spelled out.

The first assumption that will never be explained is that the bullet *TRANSITED* JFK's body.

There never has been any medical evidence for such a transit, and during the autopsy, none was found.

One cannot simply draw a line between wounds - because the first thing a believer has to do is move the wound. (as was HISTORICALLY done by the Warren Commission)

Nor will someone asserting the SBT as "common sense" ever publicly admit that this is based on speculations made after the autopsy was over.

And evidence shows that this speculation of transit wasn't made that first weekend, as is often pre-supposed... Rankin makes it clear in January that the autopsy report *HE* was reading was ascribing the throat wound to a fragment from the head shot...

This shows that there was a bit of evidence shuffling going on in the government... or that Rankin couldn't read.

So anytime the phrase "common sense" occurs in this case... start examining the underlying hidden assumptions being made.

Because someone is CERTAINLY lying...

Every forensic expert who examined the details of this case validated the official conclusion of the WC - ALL of them - independently - they obviously concluded that the bullet did indeed transit JKF's body - but Ben Homes knows better....priceless.

Of course they did, Patrick... of course they did.

Would you care to make a wager?

I'll pick the "forensic experts" - and I'll wager that they'll come to the conclusion, based on the evidence in this case, that multiple shooters fired at JFK.

Oh wait, that's already been done, it's called the HSCA...

---

Interestingly, Patrick fails to address the actual topic - which is the near constant drumbeat of "common sense" when the issue isn't common sense at all ... the issue is the hidden assumptions and outright lies being told.

As in my example above - notice that Patrick is implicitly relying on "common sense" - yet still can't even explain why the prosectors were unable to find any transit through the body when the body was right in front of them.

Nor will Patrick explain why Dr. Humes used a completely non-standard method to describe where the back wound was located. There's a natural map on everyone's back - it consists of the spine. ANY point on the back can be very accurately placed by simply referring to three things:
 

1.  The vertical level ... which vertebrae.
   
2. The left side or the right side.
   
3. The distance from the midpoint of the spine.
   

Patrick can't explain why this ordinary standard wasn't used... but I don't blame him, neither could the prosectors.

"Common Sense" - as used by Warren Commission supporters, is simply code for "I'm about to lie to you..."

[Patrick C]

Nice try Ben, but I am afraid there was only one shooter in the JFK assassination and his name was Oswald. His first bullet went through JFK and then Connally. If it was not for Jack Ruby this would be a long dead subject.

I do agree with you on one thing...Humes messed up the measurement....

[Ben Holmes]

(05-07-2017, 06:32 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  Nice try Ben, but I am afraid there was only one shooter in the JFK assassination and his name was Oswald. His first bullet went through JFK and then Connally. If it was not for Jack Ruby this would be a long dead subject.

I do agree with you on one thing...Humes messed up the measurement....

Interestingly, Patrick refused to actually address what I posted.

Begging the question is a common tactic among believers, and really simply doesn't work ...

[FrankJScott]

Please try Google before asking about Top Rated Product Blog 4a936d0

[FrankJScott]

In response to the lady asking about semantic processing in nlp, natural language processing in intelligent automation, nlp udacity, nlp rpa, nlp meaning in machine learning, tokenization meaning nlp, elasticsearch vector similarity search, natural language in linguistics, google ai nlp, explainable ai nlp, textblob nlp, nlp word2vec, attention in nlp, natural language processing reddit, nlp chatbot project, first order logic in nlp, unnatural language processing, natural language processing final year project, nlp understanding systems, natural language processing with transformers github, text summarization techniques in nlp, real life applications of nlp, natural language processing in tensorflow github, deep natural language processing, nuance nlp, I can vouch for this Vector Embedding for natural language processing with disaster tweets, nlp meaning in tamil, natural language processing towards data science, text cleaning nlp, rnn nlp, nlp prediction model, deep nlp, attention in natural language processing, nlp data scientist, data preprocessing in nlp, natural language processing with python o reilly, nlp code in python, nlp word embedding, spacy in nlp, fact extraction nlp, first order logic in nlp, understanding natural language in ai, c++ vector index, models for nlp, nlp gensim, python language generation, natural language to code generation, natural language processing documentation, nlp aws, language detection using nlp, also. See More Great Real Estate Investment In Dubai Guide c3ddd2a

[FrankJScott]

Please try Google before asking about Recommended Product Tips 36d0b86

[FrankJScott]

In response to the lady inquiring about online casinos online, the best casino no deposit bonus, no deposit sign up offers, online no deposit free spins, free spins real money no deposit, no deposit bonus money casino, best online casino sites uk, welcome bonus slots, sign up deposit bonus, online gambling site, good casino sites uk, casino games no deposit free spins, casino bonuses without deposit, online casino betting real money, the best online real money slots, casino offer, best way to play slots at casino, casino with registration bonus, free cash no deposit bonus casino, best gambling slots, I can vouch for this best casino sites url for no bonus casino, slots free sign up bonus, best casino sites no deposit bonus, biggest welcome bonus casino, best online casinos that pay, best casino review sites, the best casino welcome bonus, new uk casino, best free spins online casino, play online casino games, casino only, uk slots no deposit free spins, play real casino games for real money, best online slots to win money, best winning casino games, slots no deposit free spins, casino with good welcome bonus, free spins real money online casino, biggest welcome bonus online casino, best online casino games to win real money, also. See More Great Casino Bonus Website 869d8_5

[FrankJScott]

In response to the guy talking about free spins no deposit offers, no deposit sign up bonus slots, casino betting offers, best slots in casino, no deposit free sign up bonus online casinos, uk online casino list, casino games for real money, best casino blackjack, casino deposit methods, online slot machines real money no deposit bonus, bet game casino, best gaming slots, live casino game shows, other casinos, free no deposit bonus real money casino, casino sites real money, best online casino bonuses for us players, free slot no deposit bonus, your casino, casino games where you can buy bonus, I recommend this bonus casino sites blog for live casino game, casino good, best online casino live roulette, online casino win real money, best online slots to win money, live casino sign up, best on line casinos, the online casino reviews, gambling casinos, games i can play for real money, no deposit money bonus casino, new online casino real money, casino bonus codes, uk casino bonus codes, best slot games that pay real money, best casino game to play to win money, top 10 casino no deposit bonus, best casino games to play, slot games free spins no deposit, online casinos offering free spins, also. See More Top Rated Best Casinos Website a524a93