[Mark Ulrik]

Ben Holmes Wrote:

Mark Ulrik Wrote:

Ben Holmes Wrote:This is a lie. Mark - you're lying. I've cited the people, and indeed, some of them left before the assassination (Jack Cason, for example), but many are exactly like Oswald - they were there, then left AFTER the assassination. (Charles Givens, Carolyn Arnold, to name just two...)

And since no-one had a detailed synopsis of what time someone left - the only fact that anyone knew was whether someone was there or not. So even if you weren't lying about Oswald being the only one who left after the assassination, it's completely meaningless.

You cannot tell lies in a forum with knowledgeable critics and get away with it.

If you cannot cite for a statement - perhaps you should reconsider making it.

You need to get your facts straight, Ben. Charles Givens and Carolyn Arnold both left the building before the shooting.

"When President John F. Kennedy was shot, I was standing at the corner of Record and Elm Streets. [...] After the President was shot, I returned to the Texas School Depository Building, and was told by a Dallas policeman that I could not enter the building." (Charles Givens, 3-18-64 statement to the FBI, CE 1381, p. 36)

"I left the Texas School Book Depository Building at about 12:25 PM, November 22, 1963, and never returned to this building on that date." (Carolyn Arnold, 3-18-64 statement to the FBI, CD 706, p. 7)

Ah, but I do have my facts straight. I listed two out of many TSBD employees who were there in the morning, and gone in the afternoon.

The fact that you were unable to address what I stated will show everyone where the truth lies.

There was NO roll call... and if such had ever really occurred, there were too many people missing to be able to pinpoint Oswald. That's a fact. One that believers are loathe to publicly acknowledge

I pointed out that people like Charles Givens and Carolyn Arnold left the building before the shooting.

You then called me a liar and claimed they left after the assassination.

I then demonstrated - with their own words - that they, indeed, left the building before the shooting.

You obviously enjoy calling other people liars, but based on the statements I cited, who is the real liar here?