[Ben Holmes]

Patrick C Wrote:I do not lie about the evidence or my beliefs in the JFK case Holmes.

If you insist on calling me liar I will just leave. Simple. And you can stew in your own self indulgence and delusion and you can all agree that there were 7 shots and 5 shooters and they all got away backed by LBJ and the CIA.....

Sorry Patrick... leave if you feel you must, but until you actually REFUTE my charge of lying by quoting my words which say what you claimed I said, you're a proven liar.

And if you leave, your words will remain here for all to see...

I'll be more than happy to apologize if you can quote me saying what you claimed I said. But that isn't going to happen... I stated that it's INDISPUTABLE that eyewitnesses said they'd seen smoke.

NO-WHERE DID I STATE THAT IT'S INDISPUTABLE THAT THERE WAS SMOKE.

The fact that you keep lying on this point simply illustrates the weakness of your case, that you have to erect these strawmen to argue against.

QUOTE MY WORDS - then argue against what I actually said. Or run away when I point out that you're lying.

Just for the record, you've not refuted A SINGLE CHARGE OF LYING that I've posted in this forum yet...

Why is that, Patrick?

[Patrick C]

Your statement that it is indisputable there was smoke are clear for all to see....

"The right question is "Was smoke seen in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63 immediately following the assassination?

And the answer is - indisputably."

And no I do not lie Ben, as I have stated over the years, like everyone I make mistakes and I may mis remember something....or indeed change my mind - as I did circa 1995 on the issue of conspiracy in this case !!!

[Ben Holmes]

Patrick C Wrote:Your statement that it is indisputable there was smoke are clear for all to see....

Ben Holmes Wrote:The right question is "Was smoke seen in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63 immediately following the assassination?

And the answer is - indisputably.

WAS SMOKE SEEN... Not "there was smoke..."

Looks like you know you lied, yet rather than retract your lie, you're going to double down on it.

Patrick C Wrote:And no I do not lie Ben, as I have stated over the years, like everyone I make mistakes and I may mis remember something....or indeed change my mind - as I did circa 1995 on the issue of conspiracy in this case !!!

Your constant denials are belied by your frequent lies. It's quite crystal clear at this point that NO-WHERE did I say that "smoke" was indisputable... rather that SMOKE WAS SEEN... and even quoted & cited several eyewitnesses who saw WHAT THEY DESCRIBED as smoke.

But you don't have to convince me, Patrick... I KNOW you're lying... you have to convince other readers of this forum.

[Patrick C]

Ben, you are NUTS....

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