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01-30-2017, 12:38 AM #1
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Proof that the SBT is Sheer Nonsense.
Dr. Gregory worked on Connally's wrist, and gave five reasons that the bullet that went through Connally's wrist did so from the outside to the palm side.

1. The general ragged appearance of the dorsal wound is typical of an entrance wound.

2. Bits of thread and cloth were carried into the wound on the dorsal side and these corresponded with a tear in the jacket sleeve.

3. Two or three fragments were shed after the bullet had hit the radius. The three fragments taken from the wrist were more volar and caused by the radius flaking them off.

4. The distortion of the soft tissues shows the pathway to be dorsal to volar.

5. Air in the wound is more visible on the dorsal side of the X-ray which is typical of entrance wound.

It's not a surprise that believers absolutely REFUSE to debate this issue, or to explain it away...

But it demonstrates that the SBT is just a bunch of hooey...

(Watch as believers assert that they can't understand this, or simply refuse to answer...)

01-30-2017, 05:40 AM #2
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RE: Proof that the SBT is Sheer Nonsense.
(01-30-2017, 12:38 AM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  Dr. Gregory worked on Connally's wrist, and gave five reasons that the bullet that went through Connally's wrist did so from the outside to the palm side.

1. The general ragged appearance of the dorsal wound is typical of an entrance wound.

2. Bits of thread and cloth were carried into the wound on the dorsal side and these corresponded with a tear in the jacket sleeve.

3. Two or three fragments were shed after the bullet had hit the radius. The three fragments taken from the wrist were more volar and caused by the radius flaking them off.

4. The distortion of the soft tissues shows the pathway to be dorsal to volar.

5. Air in the wound is more visible on the dorsal side of the X-ray which is typical of entrance wound.

It's not a surprise that believers absolutely REFUSE to debate this issue, or to explain it away...

But it demonstrates that the SBT is just a bunch of hooey...

(Watch as believers assert that they can't understand this, or simply refuse to answer...)

02-08-2017, 12:55 PM #3
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RE: Proof that the SBT is Sheer Nonsense.
(01-30-2017, 12:38 AM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  Dr. Gregory worked on Connally's wrist, and gave five reasons that the bullet that went through Connally's wrist did so from the outside to the palm side.

1. The general ragged appearance of the dorsal wound is typical of an entrance wound.

2. Bits of thread and cloth were carried into the wound on the dorsal side and these corresponded with a tear in the jacket sleeve.

3. Two or three fragments were shed after the bullet had hit the radius. The three fragments taken from the wrist were more volar and caused by the radius flaking them off.

4. The distortion of the soft tissues shows the pathway to be dorsal to volar.

5. Air in the wound is more visible on the dorsal side of the X-ray which is typical of entrance wound.

It's not a surprise that believers absolutely REFUSE to debate this issue, or to explain it away...

But it demonstrates that the SBT is just a bunch of hooey...

(Watch as believers assert that they can't understand this, or simply refuse to answer...)

The SBT supports the path through the wrist when the hand is palm down to the thigh. Hence the entrance is on the upper side of the wrist and the exit in the lower palm side of the wrist. This ties in with what Dr Gregory is saying. You must be assuming that Connally's wrist was oriented in such a way that the palm side faced his chest.......otherwise your argument does not make sense.......

02-08-2017, 03:05 PM #4
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RE: Proof that the SBT is Sheer Nonsense.
(02-08-2017, 12:55 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  
(01-30-2017, 12:38 AM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  Dr. Gregory worked on Connally's wrist, and gave five reasons that the bullet that went through Connally's wrist did so from the outside to the palm side.

1. The general ragged appearance of the dorsal wound is typical of an entrance wound.

2. Bits of thread and cloth were carried into the wound on the dorsal side and these corresponded with a tear in the jacket sleeve.

3. Two or three fragments were shed after the bullet had hit the radius. The three fragments taken from the wrist were more volar and caused by the radius flaking them off.

4. The distortion of the soft tissues shows the pathway to be dorsal to volar.

5. Air in the wound is more visible on the dorsal side of the X-ray which is typical of entrance wound.

It's not a surprise that believers absolutely REFUSE to debate this issue, or to explain it away...

But it demonstrates that the SBT is just a bunch of hooey...

(Watch as believers assert that they can't understand this, or simply refuse to answer...)

The SBT supports the path through the wrist when the hand is palm down to the thigh. Hence the entrance is on the upper side of the wrist and the exit in the lower palm side of the wrist. This ties in with what Dr Gregory is saying. You must be assuming that Connally's wrist was oriented in such a way that the palm side faced his chest.......otherwise your argument does not make sense.......

And since we know FOR A FACT that Connally's hand was not oriented the way you claim... that it was no-where near his thigh, you've lost.

I'm not assuming Connally's wrist position - it's CERTAINLY not lying down on his thigh as you presuppose.

When the hand is chest level, it's virtually IMPOSSIBLE for a bullet exiting the chest to have a trajectory through the wrist as described by Dr. Gregory.

You lost!

02-08-2017, 04:02 PM #5
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RE: Proof that the SBT is Sheer Nonsense.
(02-08-2017, 03:05 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  
(02-08-2017, 12:55 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  
(01-30-2017, 12:38 AM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  Dr. Gregory worked on Connally's wrist, and gave five reasons that the bullet that went through Connally's wrist did so from the outside to the palm side.

1. The general ragged appearance of the dorsal wound is typical of an entrance wound.

2. Bits of thread and cloth were carried into the wound on the dorsal side and these corresponded with a tear in the jacket sleeve.

3. Two or three fragments were shed after the bullet had hit the radius. The three fragments taken from the wrist were more volar and caused by the radius flaking them off.

4. The distortion of the soft tissues shows the pathway to be dorsal to volar.

5. Air in the wound is more visible on the dorsal side of the X-ray which is typical of entrance wound.

It's not a surprise that believers absolutely REFUSE to debate this issue, or to explain it away...

But it demonstrates that the SBT is just a bunch of hooey...

(Watch as believers assert that they can't understand this, or simply refuse to answer...)

The SBT supports the path through the wrist when the hand is palm down to the thigh. Hence the entrance is on the upper side of the wrist and the exit in the lower palm side of the wrist. This ties in with what Dr Gregory is saying. You must be assuming that Connally's wrist was oriented in such a way that the palm side faced his chest.......otherwise your argument does not make sense.......

And since we know FOR A FACT that Connally's hand was not oriented the way you claim... that it was no-where near his thigh, you've lost.

I'm not assuming Connally's wrist position - it's CERTAINLY not lying down on his thigh as you presuppose.

When the hand is chest level, it's virtually IMPOSSIBLE for a bullet exiting the chest to have a trajectory through the wrist as described by Dr. Gregory.

You lost!


(02-08-2017, 03:05 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  And since we know FOR A FACT that Connally's hand was not oriented the way you claim... that it was no-where near his thigh, you've lost.

Rubbish, you know no such thing. However there are plenty of photos showing JC holding his hat with his palm down.


(02-08-2017, 03:05 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  I'm not assuming Connally's wrist position - it's CERTAINLY not lying down on his thigh as you presuppose.

I am not saying that either - his wrist could have been raised and still palm down.


(02-08-2017, 03:05 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  When the hand is chest level, it's virtually IMPOSSIBLE for a bullet exiting the chest to have a trajectory through the wrist as described by Dr. Gregory.

Nonsense that is just tripe.
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02-08-2017, 05:16 PM #6
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RE: Proof that the SBT is Sheer Nonsense.
(02-08-2017, 04:02 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  
(02-08-2017, 03:05 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  
(02-08-2017, 12:55 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  
(01-30-2017, 12:38 AM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  Dr. Gregory worked on Connally's wrist, and gave five reasons that the bullet that went through Connally's wrist did so from the outside to the palm side.

1. The general ragged appearance of the dorsal wound is typical of an entrance wound.

2. Bits of thread and cloth were carried into the wound on the dorsal side and these corresponded with a tear in the jacket sleeve.

3. Two or three fragments were shed after the bullet had hit the radius. The three fragments taken from the wrist were more volar and caused by the radius flaking them off.

4. The distortion of the soft tissues shows the pathway to be dorsal to volar.

5. Air in the wound is more visible on the dorsal side of the X-ray which is typical of entrance wound.

It's not a surprise that believers absolutely REFUSE to debate this issue, or to explain it away...

But it demonstrates that the SBT is just a bunch of hooey...

(Watch as believers assert that they can't understand this, or simply refuse to answer...)

The SBT supports the path through the wrist when the hand is palm down to the thigh. Hence the entrance is on the upper side of the wrist and the exit in the lower palm side of the wrist. This ties in with what Dr Gregory is saying. You must be assuming that Connally's wrist was oriented in such a way that the palm side faced his chest.......otherwise your argument does not make sense.......

And since we know FOR A FACT that Connally's hand was not oriented the way you claim... that it was no-where near his thigh, you've lost.

I'm not assuming Connally's wrist position - it's CERTAINLY not lying down on his thigh as you presuppose.

When the hand is chest level, it's virtually IMPOSSIBLE for a bullet exiting the chest to have a trajectory through the wrist as described by Dr. Gregory.

You lost!
 
(02-08-2017, 03:05 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  And since we know FOR A FACT that Connally's hand was not oriented the way you claim... that it was no-where near his thigh, you've lost.

Rubbish, you know no such thing. However there are plenty of photos showing JC holding his hat with his palm down.
 
(02-08-2017, 03:05 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  I'm not assuming Connally's wrist position - it's CERTAINLY not lying down on his thigh as you presuppose.

I am not saying that either - his wrist could have been raised and still palm down.
 
(02-08-2017, 03:05 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  When the hand is chest level, it's virtually IMPOSSIBLE for a bullet exiting the chest to have a trajectory through the wrist as described by Dr. Gregory.

Nonsense that is just tripe.


Unlike other forums, it's quite easy to post a photo showing how the wrist was turned palm down while holding his hat, in a credible position for the SBT to work.

I'm quite happy to help you post such a photo... but I know you'll never do so.

This is a frequent problem with believers, asserting something is one thing, proving it is a whole 'nuther kettle of fish.

If Patrick were an honest man, he could easily produce a photo showing someone holding a hat with an obvious trajectory that would go in the direction that Dr. Gregory pointed out.

Watch, as Patrick ABSOLUTELY REFUSES to document his claim.

02-09-2017, 12:18 PM #7
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RE: Proof that the SBT is Sheer Nonsense.
(02-08-2017, 05:16 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  
(02-08-2017, 04:02 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  
(02-08-2017, 03:05 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  
(02-08-2017, 12:55 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  
(01-30-2017, 12:38 AM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  Dr. Gregory worked on Connally's wrist, and gave five reasons that the bullet that went through Connally's wrist did so from the outside to the palm side.

1. The general ragged appearance of the dorsal wound is typical of an entrance wound.

2. Bits of thread and cloth were carried into the wound on the dorsal side and these corresponded with a tear in the jacket sleeve.

3. Two or three fragments were shed after the bullet had hit the radius. The three fragments taken from the wrist were more volar and caused by the radius flaking them off.

4. The distortion of the soft tissues shows the pathway to be dorsal to volar.

5. Air in the wound is more visible on the dorsal side of the X-ray which is typical of entrance wound.

It's not a surprise that believers absolutely REFUSE to debate this issue, or to explain it away...

But it demonstrates that the SBT is just a bunch of hooey...

(Watch as believers assert that they can't understand this, or simply refuse to answer...)

The SBT supports the path through the wrist when the hand is palm down to the thigh. Hence the entrance is on the upper side of the wrist and the exit in the lower palm side of the wrist. This ties in with what Dr Gregory is saying. You must be assuming that Connally's wrist was oriented in such a way that the palm side faced his chest.......otherwise your argument does not make sense.......

And since we know FOR A FACT that Connally's hand was not oriented the way you claim... that it was no-where near his thigh, you've lost.

I'm not assuming Connally's wrist position - it's CERTAINLY not lying down on his thigh as you presuppose.

When the hand is chest level, it's virtually IMPOSSIBLE for a bullet exiting the chest to have a trajectory through the wrist as described by Dr. Gregory.

You lost!
 
(02-08-2017, 03:05 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  And since we know FOR A FACT that Connally's hand was not oriented the way you claim... that it was no-where near his thigh, you've lost.

Rubbish, you know no such thing. However there are plenty of photos showing JC holding his hat with his palm down.
 
(02-08-2017, 03:05 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  I'm not assuming Connally's wrist position - it's CERTAINLY not lying down on his thigh as you presuppose.

I am not saying that either - his wrist could have been raised and still palm down.
 
(02-08-2017, 03:05 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  When the hand is chest level, it's virtually IMPOSSIBLE for a bullet exiting the chest to have a trajectory through the wrist as described by Dr. Gregory.

Nonsense that is just tripe.


Unlike other forums, it's quite easy to post a photo showing how the wrist was turned palm down while holding his hat, in a credible position for the SBT to work.

I'm quite happy to help you post such a photo... but I know you'll never do so.

This is a frequent problem with believers, asserting something is one thing, proving it is a whole 'nuther kettle of fish.

If Patrick were an honest man, he could easily produce a photo showing someone holding a hat with an obvious trajectory that would go in the direction that Dr. Gregory pointed out.

Watch, as Patrick ABSOLUTELY REFUSES to document his claim.

John Connally spent nearly 30 years looking at his wrist - he died in June 1993. He knew the bullet entered the upper (or dorsal) part of his wrist and exited the palm side. It is quite simple.

The Z frames shown here on DVP's web site show the hat. If Connally were holding the hat with his palm facing upward, then the bullet would have had to have come from within the car. There is no debate.

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.co.uk/2015/...t-887.html

02-09-2017, 03:05 PM #8
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RE: Proof that the SBT is Sheer Nonsense.
(02-09-2017, 12:18 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  
(02-08-2017, 05:16 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  Unlike other forums, it's quite easy to post a photo showing how the wrist was turned palm down while holding his hat, in a credible position for the SBT to work.

I'm quite happy to help you post such a photo... but I know you'll never do so.

This is a frequent problem with believers, asserting something is one thing, proving it is a whole 'nuther kettle of fish.

If Patrick were an honest man, he could easily produce a photo showing someone holding a hat with an obvious trajectory that would go in the direction that Dr. Gregory pointed out.

Watch, as Patrick ABSOLUTELY REFUSES to document his claim.

John Connally spent nearly 30 years looking at his wrist - he died in June 1993. He knew the bullet entered the upper (or dorsal) part of his wrist and exited the palm side. It is quite simple.

The Z frames shown here on DVP's web site show the hat. If Connally were holding the hat with his palm facing upward, then the bullet would have had to have come from within the car. There is no debate.

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.co.uk/2015/...t-887.html

Watch as Patrick ABSOLUTELY REFUSES to document his claim!

Right again!!! (my crystal ball is so rarely wrong that I cannot remember when it ever was!)

"then the bullet would have had to have come from within the car. There is no debate."

Yes Patrick, there is CERTAINLY debate... you're simply lying again. Indeed, YOU STATED THAT SUCH A SHOT COULD HAVE COME FROM OUTSIDE THE CAR.

So this time, it's YOU that is pointing out your lie.

I DEFY YOU to produce a photo of someone holding a hat that can have the trajectory you claim. If you have problems posting a photo, I'll be happy to help.

But, of course, YOU NEVER WILL... you're quite the dishonest coward...

02-09-2017, 04:21 PM #9
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RE: Proof that the SBT is Sheer Nonsense.
Holmes, as John Lennon said. Have sex and travel.

I was being facetious about the shot coming from inside the car, but I have a point. Of course as you have zero sense of humour, these things fly over your head. Yes there is a remote possiblity - maybe a ricochet....that a bullet could have passed through his wrist palm side first.

Of course you TOTALLY ignored the fact that Connally who looked at his wrist wound every day for bearly 30 years believed the bullet passed through the upper dorsal side and exited palm side. But that is just too tough to answer hey Benny.....? You know better than the man who was actually shot right.

02-09-2017, 10:54 PM #10
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RE: Proof that the SBT is Sheer Nonsense.
(02-09-2017, 04:21 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  Holmes, as John Lennon said. Have sex and travel.

I was being facetious about the shot coming from inside the car,

Nah, you were LYING...

And got caught at it.

 
(02-09-2017, 04:21 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  but I have a point. Of course as you have zero sense of humour, these things fly over your head. Yes there is a remote possiblity - maybe a ricochet....that a bullet could have passed through his wrist palm side first.

If you really believe this, then it would be incredibly easy to post a photo showing this trajectory.

Yet you continue to refuse to do so...

The average lurker can simply attempt to put the back of his wrist in the trajectory path - and see just how awkward and incredibly silly your suggestion is.
 
(02-09-2017, 04:21 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  Of course you TOTALLY ignored the fact that Connally who looked at his wrist wound every day for bearly 30 years believed the bullet passed through the upper dorsal side and exited palm side. But that is just too tough to answer [ad hominem deleted]? You know better than the man who was actually shot right.

I find it truly amusing that you still haven't figured out what Dr. Gregory said.

You are pretending right here that Connally CONTRADICTED Dr. Gregory.

Newsflash, Patrick... you need to read again what I originally posted:
 
Ben Holmes Wrote:Proof that the SBT is Sheer Nonsense.

Dr. Gregory worked on Connally's wrist, and gave five reasons that the bullet that went through Connally's wrist did so from the outside to the palm side.

1. The general ragged appearance of the dorsal wound is typical of an entrance wound.

2. Bits of thread and cloth were carried into the wound on the dorsal side and these corresponded with a tear in the jacket sleeve.

3. Two or three fragments were shed after the bullet had hit the radius. The three fragments taken from the wrist were more volar and caused by the radius flaking them off.

4. The distortion of the soft tissues shows the pathway to be dorsal to volar.

5. Air in the wound is more visible on the dorsal side of the X-ray which is typical of entrance wound.

It's not a surprise that believers absolutely REFUSE to debate this issue, or to explain it away...

But it demonstrates that the SBT is just a bunch of hooey...

(Watch as believers assert that they can't understand this, or simply refuse to answer...)

Seems that Patrick decided that he can't understand this... since he's now attempting to claim that Connally objects to this trajectory.

Perhaps this is just another "facetious" assertion on his part... me, I'll just label it a lie and move on...







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