Proof that the SBT is Sheer Nonsense.

Patrick C · 02-13-2017, 02:29 PM

(02-09-2017, 10:54 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:
(02-09-2017, 04:21 PM)Patrick C Wrote: Holmes, as John Lennon said. Have sex and travel.

I was being facetious about the shot coming from inside the car,

Nah, you were LYING...

And got caught at it.

(02-09-2017, 04:21 PM)Patrick C Wrote: but I have a point. Of course as you have zero sense of humour, these things fly over your head. Yes there is a remote possiblity - maybe a ricochet....that a bullet could have passed through his wrist palm side first.

If you really believe this, then it would be incredibly easy to post a photo showing this trajectory.

Yet you continue to refuse to do so...

The average lurker can simply attempt to put the back of his wrist in the trajectory path - and see just how awkward and incredibly silly your suggestion is.

(02-09-2017, 04:21 PM)Patrick C Wrote: Of course you TOTALLY ignored the fact that Connally who looked at his wrist wound every day for bearly 30 years believed the bullet passed through the upper dorsal side and exited palm side. But that is just too tough to answer [ad hominem deleted]? You know better than the man who was actually shot right.

I find it truly amusing that you still haven't figured out what Dr. Gregory said.

You are pretending right here that Connally CONTRADICTED Dr. Gregory.

Newsflash, Patrick... you need to read again what I originally posted:

Ben Holmes Wrote:Proof that the SBT is Sheer Nonsense.

Dr. Gregory worked on Connally's wrist, and gave five reasons that the bullet that went through Connally's wrist did so from the outside to the palm side.

1. The general ragged appearance of the dorsal wound is typical of an entrance wound.

2. Bits of thread and cloth were carried into the wound on the dorsal side and these corresponded with a tear in the jacket sleeve.

3. Two or three fragments were shed after the bullet had hit the radius. The three fragments taken from the wrist were more volar and caused by the radius flaking them off.

4. The distortion of the soft tissues shows the pathway to be dorsal to volar.

5. Air in the wound is more visible on the dorsal side of the X-ray which is typical of entrance wound.

It's not a surprise that believers absolutely REFUSE to debate this issue, or to explain it away...

But it demonstrates that the SBT is just a bunch of hooey...

(Watch as believers assert that they can't understand this, or simply refuse to answer...)

Seems that Patrick decided that he can't understand this... since he's now attempting to claim that Connally objects to this trajectory.

Perhaps this is just another "facetious" assertion on his part... me, I'll just label it a lie and move on...

(02-09-2017, 10:54 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote: Seems that Patrick decided that he can't understand this... since he's now attempting to claim that Connally objects to this trajectory.

I am afraid you seem to speak a different language.

I belive the bullet entered on the top of the wrist and exited from the palm side. I also made this quite clear HERE. In other words I AGREE with Dr Gregory, but most important is that Connally agrees that the bullet went from dorsal to ventral. So I am NOT attempting to say Connally objected to Dr Gregory's assertion - he agreed.

Boy you really don't understand your own first language do you Ben. You are ridiculous.

***Ben Holmes*** · 02-13-2017, 03:25 PM

(02-13-2017, 02:29 PM)Patrick C Wrote:
(02-09-2017, 10:54 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:
(02-09-2017, 04:21 PM)Patrick C Wrote: Holmes, as John Lennon said. Have sex and travel.

I was being facetious about the shot coming from inside the car,

Nah, you were LYING...

And got caught at it.

(02-09-2017, 04:21 PM)Patrick C Wrote: but I have a point. Of course as you have zero sense of humour, these things fly over your head. Yes there is a remote possiblity - maybe a ricochet....that a bullet could have passed through his wrist palm side first.

If you really believe this, then it would be incredibly easy to post a photo showing this trajectory.

Yet you continue to refuse to do so...

The average lurker can simply attempt to put the back of his wrist in the trajectory path - and see just how awkward and incredibly silly your suggestion is.

(02-09-2017, 04:21 PM)Patrick C Wrote: Of course you TOTALLY ignored the fact that Connally who looked at his wrist wound every day for bearly 30 years believed the bullet passed through the upper dorsal side and exited palm side. But that is just too tough to answer [ad hominem deleted]? You know better than the man who was actually shot right.

I find it truly amusing that you still haven't figured out what Dr. Gregory said.

You are pretending right here that Connally CONTRADICTED Dr. Gregory.

Newsflash, Patrick... you need to read again what I originally posted:

Ben Holmes Wrote:Proof that the SBT is Sheer Nonsense.

Dr. Gregory worked on Connally's wrist, and gave five reasons that the bullet that went through Connally's wrist did so from the outside to the palm side.

1. The general ragged appearance of the dorsal wound is typical of an entrance wound.

2. Bits of thread and cloth were carried into the wound on the dorsal side and these corresponded with a tear in the jacket sleeve.

3. Two or three fragments were shed after the bullet had hit the radius. The three fragments taken from the wrist were more volar and caused by the radius flaking them off.

4. The distortion of the soft tissues shows the pathway to be dorsal to volar.

5. Air in the wound is more visible on the dorsal side of the X-ray which is typical of entrance wound.

It's not a surprise that believers absolutely REFUSE to debate this issue, or to explain it away...

But it demonstrates that the SBT is just a bunch of hooey...

(Watch as believers assert that they can't understand this, or simply refuse to answer...)

Seems that Patrick decided that he can't understand this... since he's now attempting to claim that Connally objects to this trajectory.

Perhaps this is just another "facetious" assertion on his part... me, I'll just label it a lie and move on...

(02-09-2017, 10:54 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote: Seems that Patrick decided that he can't understand this... since he's now attempting to claim that Connally objects to this trajectory.

I am afraid you seem to speak a different language.

I belive the bullet entered on the top of the wrist and exited from the palm side. I also made this quite clear HERE. In other words I AGREE with Dr Gregory, but most important is that Connally agrees that the bullet went from dorsal to ventral. So I am NOT attempting to say Connally objected to Dr Gregory's assertion - he agreed.

Boy you really don't understand your own first language do you Ben. You are ridiculous.

How does Connally "know better" when you assert he agrees with me, and with Dr. Gregory?

Let the tap dancing begin...

Patrick C · 02-14-2017, 01:06 AM

(02-13-2017, 03:25 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:
(02-13-2017, 02:29 PM)Patrick C Wrote:
(02-09-2017, 10:54 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:
(02-09-2017, 04:21 PM)Patrick C Wrote: Holmes, as John Lennon said. Have sex and travel.

I was being facetious about the shot coming from inside the car,

Nah, you were LYING...

And got caught at it.

(02-09-2017, 04:21 PM)Patrick C Wrote: but I have a point. Of course as you have zero sense of humour, these things fly over your head. Yes there is a remote possiblity - maybe a ricochet....that a bullet could have passed through his wrist palm side first.

If you really believe this, then it would be incredibly easy to post a photo showing this trajectory.

Yet you continue to refuse to do so...

The average lurker can simply attempt to put the back of his wrist in the trajectory path - and see just how awkward and incredibly silly your suggestion is.

(02-09-2017, 04:21 PM)Patrick C Wrote: Of course you TOTALLY ignored the fact that Connally who looked at his wrist wound every day for bearly 30 years believed the bullet passed through the upper dorsal side and exited palm side. But that is just too tough to answer [ad hominem deleted]? You know better than the man who was actually shot right.

I find it truly amusing that you still haven't figured out what Dr. Gregory said.

You are pretending right here that Connally CONTRADICTED Dr. Gregory.

Newsflash, Patrick... you need to read again what I originally posted:

Ben Holmes Wrote:Proof that the SBT is Sheer Nonsense.

Dr. Gregory worked on Connally's wrist, and gave five reasons that the bullet that went through Connally's wrist did so from the outside to the palm side.

1. The general ragged appearance of the dorsal wound is typical of an entrance wound.

2. Bits of thread and cloth were carried into the wound on the dorsal side and these corresponded with a tear in the jacket sleeve.

3. Two or three fragments were shed after the bullet had hit the radius. The three fragments taken from the wrist were more volar and caused by the radius flaking them off.

4. The distortion of the soft tissues shows the pathway to be dorsal to volar.

5. Air in the wound is more visible on the dorsal side of the X-ray which is typical of entrance wound.

It's not a surprise that believers absolutely REFUSE to debate this issue, or to explain it away...

But it demonstrates that the SBT is just a bunch of hooey...

(Watch as believers assert that they can't understand this, or simply refuse to answer...)

Seems that Patrick decided that he can't understand this... since he's now attempting to claim that Connally objects to this trajectory.

Perhaps this is just another "facetious" assertion on his part... me, I'll just label it a lie and move on...

(02-09-2017, 10:54 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote: Seems that Patrick decided that he can't understand this... since he's now attempting to claim that Connally objects to this trajectory.

I am afraid you seem to speak a different language.

I belive the bullet entered on the top of the wrist and exited from the palm side. I also made this quite clear HERE. In other words I AGREE with Dr Gregory, but most important is that Connally agrees that the bullet went from dorsal to ventral. So I am NOT attempting to say Connally objected to Dr Gregory's assertion - he agreed.

Boy you really don't understand your own first language do you Ben. You are ridiculous.

How does Connally "know better" when you assert he agrees with me, and with Dr. Gregory?

Let the tap dancing begin...

(02-13-2017, 03:25 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote: How does Connally "know better" when you assert he agrees with me, and with Dr. Gregory?

mmmm....you really are a fruitcake Ben. Connally, Dr Gregory, you and I all agree and agreed the bullet entered the dorsal side and exited the palm side. And I never said anything about Connally knowing better.

Do you do this to play devils advocate for fun, or are you just nuts?

Bye Bye

***Ben Holmes*** · 02-14-2017, 01:57 AM

(02-14-2017, 01:06 AM)Patrick C Wrote:
(02-13-2017, 03:25 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:
(02-13-2017, 02:29 PM)Patrick C Wrote:
(02-09-2017, 10:54 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:
(02-09-2017, 04:21 PM)Patrick C Wrote: Holmes, as John Lennon said. Have sex and travel.

I was being facetious about the shot coming from inside the car,

Nah, you were LYING...

And got caught at it.

(02-09-2017, 04:21 PM)Patrick C Wrote: but I have a point. Of course as you have zero sense of humour, these things fly over your head. Yes there is a remote possiblity - maybe a ricochet....that a bullet could have passed through his wrist palm side first.

If you really believe this, then it would be incredibly easy to post a photo showing this trajectory.

Yet you continue to refuse to do so...

The average lurker can simply attempt to put the back of his wrist in the trajectory path - and see just how awkward and incredibly silly your suggestion is.

(02-09-2017, 04:21 PM)Patrick C Wrote: Of course you TOTALLY ignored the fact that Connally who looked at his wrist wound every day for bearly 30 years believed the bullet passed through the upper dorsal side and exited palm side. But that is just too tough to answer [ad hominem deleted]? You know better than the man who was actually shot right.

I find it truly amusing that you still haven't figured out what Dr. Gregory said.

You are pretending right here that Connally CONTRADICTED Dr. Gregory.

Newsflash, Patrick... you need to read again what I originally posted:

Ben Holmes Wrote:Proof that the SBT is Sheer Nonsense.

Dr. Gregory worked on Connally's wrist, and gave five reasons that the bullet that went through Connally's wrist did so from the outside to the palm side.

1. The general ragged appearance of the dorsal wound is typical of an entrance wound.

2. Bits of thread and cloth were carried into the wound on the dorsal side and these corresponded with a tear in the jacket sleeve.

3. Two or three fragments were shed after the bullet had hit the radius. The three fragments taken from the wrist were more volar and caused by the radius flaking them off.

4. The distortion of the soft tissues shows the pathway to be dorsal to volar.

5. Air in the wound is more visible on the dorsal side of the X-ray which is typical of entrance wound.

It's not a surprise that believers absolutely REFUSE to debate this issue, or to explain it away...

But it demonstrates that the SBT is just a bunch of hooey...

(Watch as believers assert that they can't understand this, or simply refuse to answer...)

Seems that Patrick decided that he can't understand this... since he's now attempting to claim that Connally objects to this trajectory.

Perhaps this is just another "facetious" assertion on his part... me, I'll just label it a lie and move on...

(02-09-2017, 10:54 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote: Seems that Patrick decided that he can't understand this... since he's now attempting to claim that Connally objects to this trajectory.

I am afraid you seem to speak a different language.

I belive the bullet entered on the top of the wrist and exited from the palm side. I also made this quite clear HERE. In other words I AGREE with Dr Gregory, but most important is that Connally agrees that the bullet went from dorsal to ventral. So I am NOT attempting to say Connally objected to Dr Gregory's assertion - he agreed.

Boy you really don't understand your own first language do you Ben. You are ridiculous.

How does Connally "know better" when you assert he agrees with me, and with Dr. Gregory?

Let the tap dancing begin...

(02-13-2017, 03:25 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote: How does Connally "know better" when you assert he agrees with me, and with Dr. Gregory?

mmmm....you really are a fruitcake Ben. Connally, Dr Gregory, you and I all agree and agreed the bullet entered the dorsal side and exited the palm side. And I never said anything about Connally knowing better.

That's true, you complained that *I* knew better than both Connally & Dr. Gregory. Here's the proof:

(02-09-2017, 04:21 PM)Patrick C Wrote: Of course you TOTALLY ignored the fact that Connally who looked at his wrist wound every day for bearly 30 years believed the bullet passed through the upper dorsal side and exited palm side. But that is just too tough to answer [ad hominem deleted]? You know better than the man who was actually shot right.

Yet you still can't explain this statement of yours... I can. You simply didn't understand my post. You thought I was arguing AGAINST what Dr. Gregory stated was the direction of the bullet.

(02-14-2017, 01:06 AM)Patrick C Wrote: Do you do this to play devils advocate for fun, or are you just nuts?

Bye Bye

Naturally you'll now run away...

You can't explain your statement in more credible terms than I just did. YOU ACTUALLY MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS BEING STATED - and you've now figured it out.

Yet as always, you'll NEVER admit any error.

And this fact shows just where the honesty lies, doesn't it Patrick?