[Mark Ulrik]

(08-11-2016, 02:17 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  

Mark Ulrik Wrote:

Ben Holmes Wrote:Such amusing cowardice!!!

You admit that the Presidential limo was traveling roughly 40mph at the last of the extant Z-film, you agree that the Presidential limo never completely passed the lead vehicle - yet you presume a stop before they got to the Hospital - BASED ON NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER.

Stop putting words in my mouth.

Which fact that I listed do you dispute?

You said I agreed with you about something. I never agree with you about anything.

Why are you so afraid to debate this topic?

Speak up, Mark! Tell everyone your scenario that explains the known facts... If you cannot - then you might as well admit it.

Chaney was never alongside the limo in DP. The films and photos taken in DP were not faked.

Because you know I'll simply keep pointing it out.

Mark Ulrik Wrote:

Ben Holmes Wrote:There's ZERO evidence for a stop of either vehicle outside of Dealey Plaza. There's plenty of evidence of a stop INSIDE Dealey Plaza. You can make no sense whatsoever of Chief Curry's testimony, nor will you even try... because his testimony quite clearly implies that he was still in Dealey Plaza when Chaney rode up to speak to him.

I base what happened on eyewitness testimony... you can't.

You've lost another one, Mark... you simply cannot defend your belief by citing the evidence.

Zzzzzzzzzz, sorry, not interested. There was no limo stop in DP. Chaney was never alongside the limo in DP. These are the obvious facts.

It's not a matter of "interest" - you pretend that I'm afraid to talk about James Chaney... yet clearly it's YOU that's afraid to examine his actions & words that day.

Films and photographs tell us where he was. Never alongside the limo in DP. No opportunity to chat with Curry in DP.

You keep asserting that there was no limo stop in DP - yet you know that this is EXACTLY what the evidence shows... which means that the Z-film & Nix film were altered.

You can imagine a lot of things when you ignore the films and photographs (not to mention the witnesses who insisted the limo didn't stop).

I understand why you're "not interested" - it's quite embarrassing to constantly be found contradicting the actual evidence. And proposing impossible scenarios to try to account for Chaney's conversation with Curry.

If it happened, it was obviously after DP. Live with it.

My comments in green above.

[Ben Holmes]

(08-16-2016, 09:51 AM)Mark Ulrik Wrote:  

(08-11-2016, 02:17 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  

Mark Ulrik Wrote:

Ben Holmes Wrote:Such amusing cowardice!!!

You admit that the Presidential limo was traveling roughly 40mph at the last of the extant Z-film, you agree that the Presidential limo never completely passed the lead vehicle - yet you presume a stop before they got to the Hospital - BASED ON NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER.

Stop putting words in my mouth.

Which fact that I listed do you dispute?

You said I agreed with you about something. I never agree with you about anything.

Well, that's simply untrue. my statement above says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about you "agreeing" with me. (And, of couse, we DO agree with many things... and unless you're willing to publicly state that JFK didn't die on 11/22/63 - I've just proven that.)

But tell us Mark ... BE SPECIFIC... which statement do you disagree with?

1. The Presidential limo was traveling roughly 40mph at the end of the extant Z-film.

2. The Presidential limo never completely passed the lead vehicle.

3. You assert a stop for Curry to speak with Chaney before they reached Parkland.

4. There's ZERO evidence for a stop outside of Dealey Plaza

Now... I predict you won't answer this question... because it's a FACT that you AGREE WITH ME on each one of those statements. So despite the fact that I never spoke of "agreement" before, I'm doing so now.

Go ahead and refute me, if you dare.
 

Mark Ulrik Wrote:

Ben Holmes Wrote:Why are you so afraid to debate this topic?

Speak up, Mark! Tell everyone your scenario that explains the known facts... If you cannot - then you might as well admit it.

Chaney was never alongside the limo in DP. The films and photos taken in DP were not faked.

This is the logical fallacy known as 'Begging the question'... it's too bad that Henry Sienzant won't post here, or he'd tell you this (were he honest enough to correct a fellow believer) The testimony quite firmly places the meeting IN Dealey Plaza... Eyewitness testimony clearly places a limo stop IN Dealey Plaza. Yet this isn't seen in the films... so you cannot accept the eyewitness testimony. Yet you pretend to do so. You simply refuse to admit that the testimony & the films are in contradiction to each other.

But they are. And your refusal to answer the above questions prove it.

[Ben Holmes]

Mark Ulrik Wrote:

Ben Holmes Wrote:

Mark Ulrik Wrote:

Ben Holmes Wrote:There's ZERO evidence for a stop of either vehicle outside of Dealey Plaza. There's plenty of evidence of a stop INSIDE Dealey Plaza. You can make no sense whatsoever of Chief Curry's testimony, nor will you even try... because his testimony quite clearly implies that he was still in Dealey Plaza when Chaney rode up to speak to him.

I base what happened on eyewitness testimony... you can't.

You've lost another one, Mark... you simply cannot defend your belief by citing the evidence.

Zzzzzzzzzz, sorry, not interested. There was no limo stop in DP. Chaney was never alongside the limo in DP. These are the obvious facts.

It's not a matter of "interest" - you pretend that I'm afraid to talk about James Chaney... yet clearly it's YOU that's afraid to examine his actions & words that day.

Films and photographs tell us where he was. Never alongside the limo in DP. No opportunity to chat with Curry in DP.

This contradicts the eyewitness testimony. COMPLETELY. Yet you continue to refuse to admit that simple historical fact.

Tell us, why can't you admit that there's a contradiction here?
 

Mark Ulrik Wrote:

Ben Holmes Wrote:You keep asserting that there was no limo stop in DP - yet you know that this is EXACTLY what the evidence shows... which means that the Z-film & Nix film were altered.

You can imagine a lot of things when you ignore the films and photographs (not to mention the witnesses who insisted the limo didn't stop).

No "imagination" needed at all.

Simply toss out the films, and judge the eyewitness testimony BY ITSELF. There's absolutely no question whatsoever that the eyewitness testimony puts a limo stop in Dealey Plaza... and Chaney's conversation with Curry in Dealey Plaza. Only your desperate need to deny the government's alteration of films forces you to such dishonesty.

Mark Ulrik Wrote:

Ben Holmes Wrote:I understand why you're "not interested" - it's quite embarrassing to constantly be found contradicting the actual evidence. And proposing impossible scenarios to try to account for Chaney's conversation with Curry.

If it happened, it was obviously after DP. Live with it.

Ah! The natural fallback... the eyewitnesses simply lied.

I can well understand why you'd rather believe that ... the alternative is that the U.S. government was deeply involved in covering up a conspiracy.

Nor will you be honest enough to admit that there's absolutely ZERO evidence of any limo's stopping between the overpass and Parkland. Why is that, Mark?