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Rifles on 11/22/63 Have No Interest For The Warren Commission or It's Supporters...
Rifles on 11/22/63 Have No Interest For The Warren Commission or It's Supporters...
Affidavit of Phillip Ben Hathaway, taken 11/22/63:
"Just before Noon today, my friend John Stevens Rutter Lawrence, who works with me, and I and two other friends left the Texaco Building where we work going to the parade. We were walking down Commerce up to Main and Main to Akard and while we were walking up Akard towards Main Street we passed a man who was carrying a rifle in a gun case. I saw this man walking towards me, walking towards Commerce, and took particular attention to him because of his size. I am 6'5" and weigh 200 pounds. This man was very tall, approx [sic] 6'6" or 6'7" over 250 pounds, very thick and big through the chest, in his 30's, dirty blonde hair worn in a crew cut. Was wearing a grey colored business suit with white dress shirt, fair complexion. I remarked to my friend that there was a guy carrying a gun in all this crowd and made the remark that he was probably a secret service man. I could very easily identify this man if I ever saw him again. The gun case was holding a rifle because I could tell there was a gun in it as it was a combination leather and cloth gun case and without a gun, it would have been limp, but it was heavy and he was carrying it by the handle and the barrell of the gun was up at a 45 degree angle. It was beige or tan leather and olive drab material.
We can place the time that we saw this man walking with the gun as I recall someone in the crowd asking for the time and they said it was 11:50A.M."
What would it take to interest the Warren Commission to investigate???
Of course, perhaps he was merely headed to the park to shoot squirrels - and the time and place was mere coincidence... :roll:
"Just before Noon today, my friend John Stevens Rutter Lawrence, who works with me, and I and two other friends left the Texaco Building where we work going to the parade. We were walking down Commerce up to Main and Main to Akard and while we were walking up Akard towards Main Street we passed a man who was carrying a rifle in a gun case. I saw this man walking towards me, walking towards Commerce, and took particular attention to him because of his size. I am 6'5" and weigh 200 pounds. This man was very tall, approx [sic] 6'6" or 6'7" over 250 pounds, very thick and big through the chest, in his 30's, dirty blonde hair worn in a crew cut. Was wearing a grey colored business suit with white dress shirt, fair complexion. I remarked to my friend that there was a guy carrying a gun in all this crowd and made the remark that he was probably a secret service man. I could very easily identify this man if I ever saw him again. The gun case was holding a rifle because I could tell there was a gun in it as it was a combination leather and cloth gun case and without a gun, it would have been limp, but it was heavy and he was carrying it by the handle and the barrell of the gun was up at a 45 degree angle. It was beige or tan leather and olive drab material.
We can place the time that we saw this man walking with the gun as I recall someone in the crowd asking for the time and they said it was 11:50A.M."
What would it take to interest the Warren Commission to investigate???
Of course, perhaps he was merely headed to the park to shoot squirrels - and the time and place was mere coincidence... :roll:
Re: Rifles on 11/22/63 Have No Interest For The Warren Commission or It's Supporters...
Phillip Ben Hathaway wrote:
"This man was very tall, approx [sic] 6'6" or 6'7" over 250 pounds, very thick and big through the chest, in his 30's, dirty blonde hair worn in a crew cut."
Me:
The image that immediately springs to my mind is the guy that the CIA identified as Oswald in Mexico City, the same person that Hugh McDonald says was named "Saul" and who was the true assassin of JFK.
![[Image: saul.jpg]](http://dperry1943.com/images/saul.jpg)
"This man was very tall, approx [sic] 6'6" or 6'7" over 250 pounds, very thick and big through the chest, in his 30's, dirty blonde hair worn in a crew cut."
Me:
The image that immediately springs to my mind is the guy that the CIA identified as Oswald in Mexico City, the same person that Hugh McDonald says was named "Saul" and who was the true assassin of JFK.
Re: Rifles on 11/22/63 Have No Interest For The Warren Commission or It's Supporters...
I post this but I may not agree with everything in it.
From Sam McClung:
4 RIFLES IN THE TEXAS SCHOOL BOOK DEPOSITORY
- the 7.65 Mauser fired by Cain from the Oswald frame window
- the 30.06 Mauser displayed by Nicoletti
- the side-sling-swivel Carcano in evidence now
- the .22 rifle in Caster's office
These 4 rifles were available to the conspirators inside the Texas
School Book Depository (TSBD) on 11-22-63. The following is a timeline
of what happened with the rifles.
The 30.06 Mauser and the .22 caliber rifle were brought into the TSBD
on 11-20-63 by Caster and Oswald was given an opportunity to hold the
30.06 rifle but didn't.
The 7.65 Mauser was brought into the TSBD on 11-21-63 by Oswald, along
with the disassembled side-sling-swivel Carcano.
These 4 rifles gave the conspirators the ability to plant rifles
firing 4 different size bullets:
- 7.65mm Mauser
- 30.06
- 6.5mm Carcano
- .22 caliber
The actual shooting would be used to determine what caliber rifle and
bullet(s) to plant and of what caliber.
Evolution of the plant rifle during the assassination:
- the first suppressed shot resulted in the .22 caliber rifle becoming
the frame rifle "if needed under the circumstances", and it stayed the
frame rifle till the first nonsuppressed shot; the .22 rifle may have
been fired before it was brought into the TSBD
- the first nonsuppressed shot, fired by Richard Cain using the 7.65mm
Mauser in the frame window, turned the frame rifle into the 7.65mm
Mauser
4 RIFLES IN THE DAL-TEX BUILDING
There was the Dal-Tex sniper's rifle plus the following 3 rifles in
the Dal-Tex building during the assassination, 4 rifles total.
Jim Braden / Brading may have brought to the 3rd floor of the Dal-Tex
building, one floor above the Dal-Tex sniper,
in case Oswald as a patsy in the TSBD fell through or the
circumstances merited them:
- a Johnson 30.06 semiautomatic 11-shot 600 rounds per minute
rifle, with ties to Cuba,
later found in Dealey Plaza *
- 30.06 shells *
- a "jungle carbine" *
- a Savage .22 caliber rifle *
*Find" in this document "30.06"
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+++++notice the data around the first "30.06" hit in the documen)++++
This gave Braden / Brading three different rifle sizes he could plant,
depending on the actual shooting circumstances. and what the Adolphus
team called for.
This frame would also point to Oswald:
"He shot JFK from the Dal-Tex building then ran back into the Book
Depository building."
A man resembling Oswald was on standby in the Dal-Tex building to be
seen running across Houston street to the TSBD right after the
shooting stopped, had circumstances merited it.
Deputy Sheriff Harry Weatherford was on the roof of the County Records
Building with another officer, perhaps Deputy Sheriff Allan Sweatt.
Weatherford allegedly owned a 30.06 rifle with a suppresser (silencer)
on it. The info on the 30.06 Johnson rifle found in Dealey Plaza
doesn't indicate if it had a silencer on it.
The Adolphus team radioed the TSBD team and the Dal-Tex team as to
what to do, what to plant, and later to swap the Carcano for the
Mauser.
Note the above doesn't include the bottom-sling-swivel Carcano seen in
the backyard photos.
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From Sam McClung:
4 RIFLES IN THE TEXAS SCHOOL BOOK DEPOSITORY
- the 7.65 Mauser fired by Cain from the Oswald frame window
- the 30.06 Mauser displayed by Nicoletti
- the side-sling-swivel Carcano in evidence now
- the .22 rifle in Caster's office
These 4 rifles were available to the conspirators inside the Texas
School Book Depository (TSBD) on 11-22-63. The following is a timeline
of what happened with the rifles.
The 30.06 Mauser and the .22 caliber rifle were brought into the TSBD
on 11-20-63 by Caster and Oswald was given an opportunity to hold the
30.06 rifle but didn't.
The 7.65 Mauser was brought into the TSBD on 11-21-63 by Oswald, along
with the disassembled side-sling-swivel Carcano.
These 4 rifles gave the conspirators the ability to plant rifles
firing 4 different size bullets:
- 7.65mm Mauser
- 30.06
- 6.5mm Carcano
- .22 caliber
The actual shooting would be used to determine what caliber rifle and
bullet(s) to plant and of what caliber.
Evolution of the plant rifle during the assassination:
- the first suppressed shot resulted in the .22 caliber rifle becoming
the frame rifle "if needed under the circumstances", and it stayed the
frame rifle till the first nonsuppressed shot; the .22 rifle may have
been fired before it was brought into the TSBD
- the first nonsuppressed shot, fired by Richard Cain using the 7.65mm
Mauser in the frame window, turned the frame rifle into the 7.65mm
Mauser
4 RIFLES IN THE DAL-TEX BUILDING
There was the Dal-Tex sniper's rifle plus the following 3 rifles in
the Dal-Tex building during the assassination, 4 rifles total.
Jim Braden / Brading may have brought to the 3rd floor of the Dal-Tex
building, one floor above the Dal-Tex sniper,
in case Oswald as a patsy in the TSBD fell through or the
circumstances merited them:
- a Johnson 30.06 semiautomatic 11-shot 600 rounds per minute
rifle, with ties to Cuba,
later found in Dealey Plaza *
- 30.06 shells *
- a "jungle carbine" *
- a Savage .22 caliber rifle *
*Find" in this document "30.06"
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v2n1/chrono2.pdf">http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v2n1/chrono2.pdf</a><!-- m --> ,
+++++notice the data around the first "30.06" hit in the documen)++++
This gave Braden / Brading three different rifle sizes he could plant,
depending on the actual shooting circumstances. and what the Adolphus
team called for.
This frame would also point to Oswald:
"He shot JFK from the Dal-Tex building then ran back into the Book
Depository building."
A man resembling Oswald was on standby in the Dal-Tex building to be
seen running across Houston street to the TSBD right after the
shooting stopped, had circumstances merited it.
Deputy Sheriff Harry Weatherford was on the roof of the County Records
Building with another officer, perhaps Deputy Sheriff Allan Sweatt.
Weatherford allegedly owned a 30.06 rifle with a suppresser (silencer)
on it. The info on the 30.06 Johnson rifle found in Dealey Plaza
doesn't indicate if it had a silencer on it.
The Adolphus team radioed the TSBD team and the Dal-Tex team as to
what to do, what to plant, and later to swap the Carcano for the
Mauser.
Note the above doesn't include the bottom-sling-swivel Carcano seen in
the backyard photos.
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Re: Rifles on 11/22/63 Have No Interest For The Warren Commission or It's Supporters...
Garry Puffer Wrote:...
The 30.06 Mauser and the .22 caliber rifle were brought into the TSBD
on 11-20-63 by Caster and Oswald was given an opportunity to hold the
30.06 rifle but didn't.
...
Interestingly, a 30.06 was confiscated from Buell Wesley Frazier, as I recall...
I think, if history had turned out even slightly differently (such as a recalcitrant witness placing Oswald in the lunchroom), we'd now be discussing why Frazier was not the lone nut who shot JFK.
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