[Ben Holmes]

In both the Tampa and Dallas assassination/attempt, the police were looking for a young man in his 20's, white with a slender build.  In Dallas, that patsy turned out to be Lee Harvey Oswald...

But in the Tampa assassination attempt just four days earlier, and one that was never known by the Warren Commission, that description had a different name, it was Gilberto Policarpo Lopez.

Both were white males, twenty-three years old during most of 1963.

Both had returned to America in the summer of 1962 from a Communist country.

Both are said by various sources to have been assets or informants for some U.S. agency, and both were of interest to Naval Intelligence, who kept files on them.

In mid-1963, both men and their wives moved to another city and then became involved with the Fair Play for Cuba Committee.

In the summer of 1963, some of their associates saw them as being pro-Castro, while others saw them as being anti-Castro.  Both were living in a city where there was much anti-Castro activity.

In the summer of 1963, both were involved in fist-fights over "pro-Castro" statements they made.

Though both appeared at times to be "pro-Castro," neither joined the Communist Party and neither regularly associated with local Communist Party members.

Both had a Russian connection in their background.

Both were living apart from their wives as a result of marital difficulties.

Both had crossed the border at Nuevo Laredo in the fall of 1963 and made a mysterious trip to Mexico City, both were under photographic surveillance by the CIA, both were trying to get to Cuba (Lopez made it, though)

Both went by car on one leg of their Mexico City trip.  Neither was a very good driver and neither man owned a car.

In the fall of 1963, each had a job in the vicinity of JFK's route for one of his November motorcades.

The week of 11/22/63, both men were in Dallas.

Following the assassination, both men were investigated for involvement - of course, Lopez's name appears no-where in the WCR or 26 volumes.

Declassified documents indicate that both men were the subject of unusual US intelligence activity.  Declassified CIA documents confirm that Lopez was on a secret "mission" for the US involving Cuba.  Its a virtual certainty that LHO also fits into the same category, IMO.

For years after the assassination, government agencies tried to keep much of the material about both men classified, even from Congressional committees like the HSCA.  Much still remains classified today, because both were involved in highly sensitive covert US operations in 1963.

Former Senator Schweiker, who served for eighteen months on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and who chaired, along with Gary Hart, the Church Committee's subcommittee that looked into the JFK assassination (The first gave the Senator background information on intelligence, and the second gave the Senator specific, still classified information on the JFK assassination), stated: "all the fingerprints I found during my eighteen months on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence point to Oswald as being a product of, and interacting with, the intelligence community."  Of course, believers would simply label the good Senator a "kook".

If more than just two blacks, in a southern racist city, had seen LHO during the assassination in the lunchroom, believers might be calling those who think that Gilberto Policarpo Lopez is innocent "kooks" right now.

Gilberto Policarpo Lopez... the other Lee Harvey Oswald.

[Lee Abbott]

Patrick would say, "Interesting, but simply a coincidence, 100%."

[Ben Holmes]

(09-30-2016, 02:06 AM)Lee Abbott Wrote:  Patrick would say, "Interesting, but simply a coincidence, 100%."

Nah... I don't think Patrick will even offer that much of an explanation... he'd know it wasn't very credible.

[Patrick C]

(09-29-2016, 10:37 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  In both the Tampa and Dallas assassination/attempt, the police were looking for a young man in his 20's, white with a slender build.  In Dallas, that patsy turned out to be Lee Harvey Oswald...

But in the Tampa assassination attempt just four days earlier, and one that was never known by the Warren Commission, that description had a different name, it was Gilberto Policarpo Lopez.

Both were white males, twenty-three years old during most of 1963.

Both had returned to America in the summer of 1962 from a Communist country.

Both are said by various sources to have been assets or informants for some U.S. agency, and both were of interest to Naval Intelligence, who kept files on them.

In mid-1963, both men and their wives moved to another city and then became involved with the Fair Play for Cuba Committee.

In the summer of 1963, some of their associates saw them as being pro-Castro, while others saw them as being anti-Castro.  Both were living in a city where there was much anti-Castro activity.

In the summer of 1963, both were involved in fist-fights over "pro-Castro" statements they made.

Though both appeared at times to be "pro-Castro," neither joined the Communist Party and neither regularly associated with local Communist Party members.

Both had a Russian connection in their background.

Both were living apart from their wives as a result of marital difficulties.

Both had crossed the border at Nuevo Laredo in the fall of 1963 and made a mysterious trip to Mexico City, both were under photographic surveillance by the CIA, both were trying to get to Cuba (Lopez made it, though)

Both went by car on one leg of their Mexico City trip.  Neither was a very good driver and neither man owned a car.

In the fall of 1963, each had a job in the vicinity of JFK's route for one of his November motorcades.

The week of 11/22/63, both men were in Dallas.

Following the assassination, both men were investigated for involvement - of course, Lopez's name appears no-where in the WCR or 26 volumes.

Declassified documents indicate that both men were the subject of unusual US intelligence activity.  Declassified CIA documents confirm that Lopez was on a secret "mission" for the US involving Cuba.  Its a virtual certainty that LHO also fits into the same category, IMO.

For years after the assassination, government agencies tried to keep much of the material about both men classified, even from Congressional committees like the HSCA.  Much still remains classified today, because both were involved in highly sensitive covert US operations in 1963.

Former Senator Schweiker, who served for eighteen months on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and who chaired, along with Gary Hart, the Church Committee's subcommittee that looked into the JFK assassination (The first gave the Senator background information on intelligence, and the second gave the Senator specific, still classified information on the JFK assassination), stated: "all the fingerprints I found during my eighteen months on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence point to Oswald as being a product of, and interacting with, the intelligence community."  Of course, believers would simply label the good Senator a "kook".

If more than just two blacks, in a southern racist city, had seen LHO during the assassination in the lunchroom, believers might be calling those who think that Gilberto Policarpo Lopez is innocent "kooks" right now.

Gilberto Policarpo Lopez... the other Lee Harvey Oswald.

Have you read the "similarities" between the Kennedy and Lincoln assassinations........there is a whole list. 

And you know what - everyone of them is pure coincidence.

Amazing, coincidence.......but true.

[Ben Holmes]

(09-30-2016, 03:01 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  Have you read the "similarities" between the Kennedy and Lincoln assassinations........there is a whole list. 

And you know what - everyone of them is pure coincidence.

Amazing, coincidence.......but true.

What are the odds that both accused assassins were connected with the Fair Play for Cuba?

What are the odds that both accused assassins attempted to go to Cuba?

What are the odds that they both went to Mexico?

What are the odds that they're both connected to U.S. intelligence?

What are the odds that they both had a Russian connection?

What are the odds that both of them were lone nuts... completely and totally unconnected?

What are the odds that three separate assassination attempts within weeks of each other were completely unconnected?

What are the odds that Patrick will refuse to support his assertions?

(The last question was an easy one...)