[Ben Holmes]

(11-16-2016, 01:42 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  

(11-15-2016, 02:48 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  

(11-15-2016, 11:43 AM)Patrick C Wrote:  

Quote:Mary Bledsoe - former landlady for Oswald - testified that she'd seen Oswald on the bus, "looking like a maniac," his shirt undone, his "sleeve was out here," he was dirty, he "looked so bad in his face, and his face was so distorted." Mrs. Bledsoe clearly despised Oswald, and could hardly be considered a credible witness in her description.

Human beings are very good at recognizing  people they know - even when years have gone by. Bledsoe had seen Oswald just months before the day of the assassination. She either saw Oswald or a double. It is as simple as that.

Quite the coward, aren't you Patrick?

You refused COMPLETELY to address the anachronism in her testimony. You KNOW that this problem works against Bledsoe, so you simply refuse to address it.

Nor did you address most of this post... you picked out one item, THEN REFUSED TO COMPLETELY ADDRESS IT, and hope that your cowardice isn't noted.

(11-15-2016, 11:43 AM)Patrick C Wrote:  No matter all the tripe you have writtem on this thread about Oswald not being on the bus.....there is one huge problem....he had a bus transfer ticket on him with McWatters unique hole punch on it.

No he didn't.

Quote:After DPD Detective Richard Sims found bus transfer No. 4459 in Oswald's shirt pocket the Dallas Police contacted Mr. Yates, Division Superintendent of the Dallas Transit System. Yates told police that bus drivers were given a book of 50 bus transfers each morning. Drivers tore off the first transfer, wrote their badge number on the back side, and left the first transfer in the office. The transfer found by the Dallas Police, No. 4459, came from the book which contained transfers No. 4451 through 4500. The first transfer from this book had the number "195" written on the backside, which was Cecil McWatters' badge number.

McWatters was picked up by the Dallas Police and escorted to headquarters shortly after 6:00 pm. When shown transfer No. 4459 McWatters said, "Yes, that is the transfer I issued because it had my punch mark on it ..... I only gave two transfers going through town on that trip (from North Dallas south to Oak Cliff) and that was at the one stop of where I gave the lady (the blond lady who was probably following Oswald) and the gentlemen (Harvey Oswald) that got off the bus, I issued two transfers. But that was the only two transfers were issued."84

The exhibit we have from McWatters’ book is transfer # 4451, the first in the series from that book, and the one left by SOP…. with a note on the back stating that the transfer comes from the same book from which the accused assassin of JFK was taken… If he only issued two transfers, one to a lady who gets off which causes the Oswald impersonator to grab a transfer and also get off… then it would have to come from either the FRONT of the book (4452 and 4453) or the back of the book (4500 or 4498). Yet the transfer which has gone from Oswald’s work shirt to now his arrest shirt and found during the 2nd search is #4459…

We do not get to see the original book from which 4459 was torn, and yet we are given 4451 and are told that is the book from which 4459 was torn… That is the total extent of the authentication for that transfer…

Any honest man will see the problems here...

(11-15-2016, 11:43 AM)Patrick C Wrote:  Oswald was on the bus. Period. That people on the bus who did not know Oswald had doubts about the young man being Oswald was normal - Oswald was a young man of average height and build, why would they specifically remember him....? Of course there would be doubt. Not for Bledsoe though who actually KNEW him.

An assertion that simply refuses to address the actual evidence I posted.

You aren't going to convince anyone with naked assertions... you have to provide evidence. You have to provide logical argument.

Cowardice and lying simply won't do the job.

Don't you understand this?

I understand that youu are largely incapable of making any response without accusing me of lying and cowardice.

Au contraire! I don't "accuse" you of lying and cowardice, I POINT IT OUT.

The fact that you continue to refuse to even try to defend a lie when I point it out, or defend against the charge of cowardice ... simply shows that you can't.

(11-16-2016, 01:42 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  You are ignorant and juvenile. Which is why I rarely post or in fact read posts here.

Believers give all sorts of reasons why they refuse to debate. None of them are credible.

There's a very simple reason, both credible and true - why believers refuse to debate... THEY CAN'T! The evidence simply isn't in their favor. You label me "ignorant" - yet you're on record as stating that "I would not include Holmes, at least he has been consistently eccentric and obnoxious all along and to give him some credit, he is usually reasonably accurate in terms of facts - just woefully off in interpretation and hugely biased and selective in presenting arguments......"

So tell us Patrick, how can I both be "ignorant" and "reasonably accurate in terms of facts?" I've corrected YOU on a number of issues... issues you pretend to have simply "forgotten". Yet despite that fact, you label ME "ignorant".

Tell us Patrick, don't you think that the claim that I'm "ignorant and juvenile" reflects far more on you than it does on me?

(11-16-2016, 01:42 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  You have provided ZERO evidence that Oswald was not on the bus."

You're lying again, Patrick.

Which explains, no doubt, your cowardice in actually addressing all the issues raised by my post. Such as the sheer impossibility of Bledsoe's testimony.

(11-16-2016, 01:42 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  The transfer ticket proves he was on the bus unless it was planted - which as we know would be nigh on impossible given that there was only one place the ticket could be produced - by the driver on the bus on Nov 22 1963.

Once again, you're simply making assertions that you can't support. Unless you can point to the ticket book that the ticket came out of, you have a massive problem on your hands.

So it's easy to simply label you a liar again - because I know for a FACT that you'll never produce the ticket book, or explain the inconsistencies seen in this evidence.
 

(11-16-2016, 01:42 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  So all you warblings on this matter are a waste of time.

How can it be?

You demonstrate your cowardice each time I post...

How is it a "waste of time" to show that believers are cowards?

Why can't you make the case for your theory?

Why am I able to do what you cannot?

(11-16-2016, 01:42 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  "When he was apprehended, Oswald had a bus transfer for the Lakewood-Marsalis route in his shirt pocket. The transfer, dated "Fri. Nov. 22, '63," was punched in two places by the bus driver. 

Because Dallas bus drivers had distinctive punchmarks, this transfer was conclusively linked to Cecil J. McWatters, who drove for the Dallas Transit Co. McWatters later testified that he issued the transfer to a man who "beat on the front door of the bus, boarded it and paid his fare."

Two blocks later, a female passenger "asked to get off to make a 1 o'clock train at Union Station and requested a transfer which she might use if she got through the traffic."  The man who had just boarded the bus also requested a transfer and got off at the same spot.  

According to the bus driver both passengers left the bus "at the intersection near Lamar Street, it was near Poydras and Lamar Street."

ONCE AGAIN, PATRICK; YOU ILLUSTRATE YOUR COMPLETE AND TOTAL COWARDICE!!!

Here it is again, for you to run from again... the complete refutation of your above nonsense.
 

Quote:After DPD Detective Richard Sims found bus transfer No. 4459 in Oswald's shirt pocket the Dallas Police contacted Mr. Yates, Division Superintendent of the Dallas Transit System. Yates told police that bus drivers were given a book of 50 bus transfers each morning. Drivers tore off the first transfer, wrote their badge number on the back side, and left the first transfer in the office. The transfer found by the Dallas Police, No. 4459, came from the book which contained transfers No. 4451 through 4500. The first transfer from this book had the number "195" written on the backside, which was Cecil McWatters' badge number.

McWatters was picked up by the Dallas Police and escorted to headquarters shortly after 6:00 pm. When shown transfer No. 4459 McWatters said, "Yes, that is the transfer I issued because it had my punch mark on it ..... I only gave two transfers going through town on that trip (from North Dallas south to Oak Cliff) and that was at the one stop of where I gave the lady (the blond lady who was probably following Oswald) and the gentlemen (Harvey Oswald) that got off the bus, I issued two transfers. But that was the only two transfers were issued."84

The exhibit we have from McWatters’ book is transfer # 4451, the first in the series from that book, and the one left by SOP…. with a note on the back stating that the transfer comes from the same book from which the accused assassin of JFK was taken… If he only issued two transfers, one to a lady who gets off which causes the Oswald impersonator to grab a transfer and also get off… then it would have to come from either the FRONT of the book (4452 and 4453) or the back of the book (4500 or 4498). Yet the transfer which has gone from Oswald’s work shirt to now his arrest shirt and found during the 2nd search is #4459…

We do not get to see the original book from which 4459 was torn, and yet we are given 4451 and are told that is the book from which 4459 was torn… That is the total extent of the authentication for that transfer…

Any honest man will see the problems here... but clearly, Patrick; you don't fall into that category.