[Ben Holmes]

(18) Oswald left the Marsalis bus when it got caught in traffic.

Presuming that Oswald was on a bus, it's not exactly evidence that he murdered someone if he gets off the bus. It's merely historical FACT that everyone who was on that bus got off of it that same day, and likely within an hour or so - does this make them all suspects???

Watch as believers, such as Patrick Collins - ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to publicly admit just how silly and nonsensical this particular bit of "evidence" is...

Nor will Patrick accuse Mrs. Bledsoe of the crime... it's a provable fact that she also got off the bus... indeed, so did Cecil McWatters... the bus driver... as did Milton Jones, the teenager later identified by McWatters as the "grinning" man he'd originally thought was Oswald.

Is it cowardice by Patrick Collins, or dishonesty? I'll let the readers decide...

It's merely speculation that someone got off the bus -due to traffic- ... nor would it be particularly strange for someone to do so if they weren't willing to wait.

Nor is it particularly well established that he was even on the bus.

One question that is rarely raised is why would Oswald get on the Marsalis bus in the first place? The nearest this bus would take Oswald to his rooming house on North Beckley is seven blocks away. Oswald regularly used public transport, as he didn't drive and had no car. Public transportation has schedules. Anyone regularly using the bus generally knows these schedules. Knowing the schedules helps to not be fired from work. Oswald must have known the schedule of the Beckley bus. It left the St Paul transfer point at the same time as the Marsalis/Munger bus that Cecil McWatters was driving. That time was 12:36pm. McWatters claimed that he was probably ahead of the Beckley bus because he couldn’t see it in front of him. If Oswald was heading back to his rooming house why would he get a bus that didn’t take him there? Especially if the one that did take him all the way home was probably right behind it?

And, if we accept the EARLIEST account, that of McWatter's Affidavit – then Oswald being on the bus is an alibi for the Tippit murder... because he let Oswald off the bus AFTER the Tippit murder.

[Patrick C]

Congrats such a fine example of how your mind works....what a ridiculous statement....

"Presuming that Oswald was on a bus, it's not exactly evidence that he murdered someone if he gets off the bus. It's merely historical FACT that everyone who was on that bus got off of it that same day, and likely within an hour or so - does this make them all suspects???"

Of course it bloody does not! DUH !!

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(11-17-2016, 02:58 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  (18) Oswald left the Marsalis bus when it got caught in traffic.

Presuming that Oswald was on a bus, it's not exactly evidence that he murdered someone if he gets off the bus. It's merely historical FACT that everyone who was on that bus got off of it that same day, and likely within an hour or so - does this make them all suspects???

Watch as believers, such as Patrick Collins - ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to publicly admit just how silly and nonsensical this particular bit of "evidence" is...

Nor will Patrick accuse Mrs. Bledsoe of the crime... it's a provable fact that she also got off the bus... indeed, so did Cecil McWatters... the bus driver... as did Milton Jones, the teenager later identified by McWatters as the "grinning" man he'd originally thought was Oswald.

Is it cowardice by Patrick Collins, or dishonesty? I'll let the readers decide...

It's merely speculation that someone got off the bus -due to traffic- ... nor would it be particularly strange for someone to do so if they weren't willing to wait.

Nor is it particularly well established that he was even on the bus.

One question that is rarely raised is why would Oswald get on the Marsalis bus in the first place? The nearest this bus would take Oswald to his rooming house on North Beckley is seven blocks away. Oswald regularly used public transport, as he didn't drive and had no car. Public transportation has schedules. Anyone regularly using the bus generally knows these schedules. Knowing the schedules helps to not be fired from work. Oswald must have known the schedule of the Beckley bus. It left the St Paul transfer point at the same time as the Marsalis/Munger bus that Cecil McWatters was driving. That time was 12:36pm. McWatters claimed that he was probably ahead of the Beckley bus because he couldn’t see it in front of him. If Oswald was heading back to his rooming house why would he get a bus that didn’t take him there? Especially if the one that did take him all the way home was probably right behind it?

And, if we accept the EARLIEST account, that of McWatter's Affidavit – then Oswald being on the bus is an alibi for the Tippit murder... because he let Oswald off the bus AFTER the Tippit murder.

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Ben Holmes Wrote:Nor will Patrick accuse Mrs. Bledsoe of the crime... it's a provable fact that she also got off the bus... indeed, so did Cecil McWatters... the bus driver... as did Milton Jones, the teenager later identified by McWatters as the "grinning" man he'd originally thought was Oswald.

What a stupid point. Don't give up the day job for a career in law.

Ben Holmes Wrote:Is it cowardice by Patrick Collins, or dishonesty? I'll let the readers decide...

Yawn Yawn.....here we go again.

Ben Holmes Wrote:It's merely speculation that someone got off the bus -due to traffic- ... nor would it be particularly strange for someone to do so if they weren't willing to wait.

Well he got off the bus didn't he and that he then got a taxi home is a pretty clear indication he did not want to hang around. DUH !!

Ben Holmes Wrote:Nor is it particularly well established that he was even on the bus.

Head a bus transfer ticket on him from that very bus driven By Cecil M.....DUH !!

[Ben Holmes]

(11-19-2016, 12:46 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  

Ben Holmes Wrote:Nor will Patrick accuse Mrs. Bledsoe of the crime... it's a provable fact that she also got off the bus... indeed, so did Cecil McWatters... the bus driver... as did Milton Jones, the teenager later identified by McWatters as the "grinning" man he'd originally thought was Oswald.

What a stupid point. Don't give up the day job for a career in law.

Ah!

So the fact that Oswald allegedly got off a bus is proof of guilt, but only when it applies to Lee Harvey Oswald.

Your logic is what is stupid here... you can't admit the obvious.
 

(11-19-2016, 12:46 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  

Ben Holmes Wrote:Is it cowardice by Patrick Collins, or dishonesty? I'll let the readers decide...

Yawn Yawn.....here we go again.

Indeed... once again you've refused to address either your cowardice or your blatant lying. If you were an honest man, I'd rather expect you to actually refute accusations of cowardice or dishonesty.

Instead, you merely "yawn"...
 

(11-19-2016, 12:46 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  

Ben Holmes Wrote:It's merely speculation that someone got off the bus -due to traffic- ... nor would it be particularly strange for someone to do so if they weren't willing to wait.

Well he got off the bus didn't he and that he then got a taxi home is a pretty clear indication he did not want to hang around. DUH !!

You can't admit even the most obvious points...

Once again, It's merely speculation that someone got off the bus -due to traffic-. And whining that "he got off the bus" - one that you can't prove he was ever on ... isn't an answer.

So tell us Patrick - ON WHAT EVIDENCE DID BUGLIOSI BASE HIS ASSERTION THAT OSWALD GOT OFF THE BUS "DUE TO TRAFFIC?"

You could answer honestly... or you could demonstrate your cowardice yet again... I'm betting on your cowardice.
 

(11-19-2016, 12:46 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  

Ben Holmes Wrote:Nor is it particularly well established that he was even on the bus.

Head a bus transfer ticket on him from that very bus driven By Cecil M.....DUH !!

You mean the transfer ticket given to Milton Jones?

Watch for it folks... there will be dead silence now...

Patrick cannot admit that McWatters reversed his initial identification of "Oswald".