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Re: The Backyard Photos - Nick Principe - 06-13-2016
"At the time that I was questioned, I had even forgotten that I had taken two photographs. I thought there
was only one. I thought that there were two identical pictures, but they turned out to be two different
poses ."
- Marina Oswald
Patrick C Wrote:who cares.
Very nice...tell us, what kind of historian are you anyway, to so willingly dismiss primary source information for no other reason other than you don't feel like believing it?
Patrick C Wrote:The fact is she remembered taking the pics....simple.
No, the REAL fact is you have just proven that you value Marina's testimony and point to it as proof of what you want to believe....except for sometimes.
Re: The Backyard Photos - Patrick C - 06-13-2016
Tests IMO are conclusive that the photos are not faked.
The signature is also Oswald's
"Handwriting specialists later concluded that the words “To my friend George…” and Oswald's signature were written by Lee Harvey Oswald, but could not determine whether the rest was the writing of Lee Oswald, Mohrenschildt, or Marina Oswald.[70] Mohrenschildt assumed that Marina had written it sarcastically."
It is simply a non issue IMO.
Re: The Backyard Photos - Nick Principe - 06-13-2016
Patrick C Wrote:It is simply a non issue IMO.
It's a non-issue for critics, since the photos alone prove nothing in terms of Oswald's level of involvement in the assassination. But because the photos got lumped in with the "official story" as "evidence", the onus is on Supporters to disprove that they are forgeries. Perhaps that's why LNers are so quick to dismiss such suspicious photos as "non-issues." The indication they are so obviously fake points to something more insidious than linear thinking can handle.
Re: The Backyard Photos - Patrick C - 06-13-2016
The onus is categorically on the pro C supporters to prove the photos are forgeries.......!!!
I am not quick to dismiss the photos as non issues Nick. I have worked on this case for the BBC, Central TV and the Sunday Times and researched the subject for 30 years - including
a two year stint on a masters thesis and time spent in Dallas. SO please do not be so quick to judge.
Anyway, they are not "obviously fakes" - may I suggest you do your home work on the photos....and I would ask why are they fakes?
Re: The Backyard Photos - Nick Principe - 06-13-2016
Patrick C Wrote:and I would ask why are they fakes?
Well for one thing, the rifle in the photo is a bottom sling mount, and the TSBD Carcano was a side sling. That alone should be enough to silence you, even without mentioning the fact that Oswald is wearing Roscoe White's flat gorilla chin. Gil Jesus goes on to demolish the myth of the rifle:
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Patrick C Wrote:may I suggest you do your home work on the photos....
Yup, tell us more about "water spots", why don't you.
Re: The Backyard Photos - Patrick C - 06-13-2016
Gil Jesus...!!!
Give us a break....please.
Did you know the word gullible was not in the dictionary Nick....
Re: The Backyard Photos - Patrick C - 06-13-2016
Gil Jesus...!!!
Give us a break....please.
Did you know the word gullible was not in the dictionary Nick....
Re: The Backyard Photos - Nick Principe - 06-13-2016
Patrick C Wrote:Gil Jesus...!!! Give us a break....please.
Ah, such an erudite retort typical of LNers who cannot defend themselves against the evidence. Nothing new from you, I'm afraid. I guess I wrongly assumed now that you are banned from Amazon you would no longer "not have the time" to address any of the points made in that Gil Jesus link, or of the side mount vs. front mount issue, or of the fact that Oswald apparently received excellent chin surgery at some point between March and November of 1963.
Patrick C Wrote:Did you know the word gullible was not in the dictionary Nick...
[Administrator removed - please cite for any reference to a lie.]
Re: The Backyard Photos - Patrick C - 06-13-2016
It was a joke Nick.
You are quite right I do not have the time nor the inclination to engage with pro C folks over and over.....
As for your comment about chin surgery......do you also believe in Nessy...?
Re: The Backyard Photos - Garry Puffer - 06-13-2016
Patrick C Wrote:Tests IMO are conclusive that the photos are not faked.
The signature is also Oswald's
"Handwriting specialists later concluded that the words “To my friend George…” and Oswald's signature were written by Lee Harvey Oswald, but could not determine whether the rest was the writing of Lee Oswald, Mohrenschildt, or Marina Oswald.[70] Mohrenschildt assumed that Marina had written it sarcastically."
It is simply a non issue IMO.
Expert opinion is not necessarily the final arbiter of forgery.
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Mr. SHANEYFELT. Yes; it is my opinion that they are not composites. Again with very, very minor reservation, because I cannot entirely eliminate an extremely expert composite.
David Josephs:
Now who do we know who may have been involved in this Conspiracy that had at their disposal expert photographic manipulators?
Me:
Too much emphasis is put on expert handwriting analysis. It is not all that difficult to forge a signature, as you well know, Patrick.