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Chief Warren Didn't Want An Investigation! - Ben Holmes - 07-23-2016
Was the Warren Commission even intended to be an investigation?
The following facts fit far better with the intention of doing a cover-up...
For at the first meeting of the Warren Commission, here's some of Chief Warren's statements:
- He did not want the Commission to employ any of their own investigators.
- He did not want the Commission to gather evidence. Instead he wished for them to rely on reports made by other agencies like the FBI and Secret Service.
- He did not want their hearings to be public. He did not want to employ the power of subpoena.
- Incredibly, he did not even want to call any witnesses. He wanted to rely on interviews done by other agencies.
- He then made a very curious comment, "Meetings where witnesses would be brought in would retard rather than help our investigation.
I know that not a SINGLE believer will step up and defend these facts as the beginnings of a real investigation...
(See the first three pages of the Dec 5th Executive session...)
Re: Chief Warren Didn't Want An Investigation! - Patrick C - 07-24-2016
Chief Warren Wrote:Meetings where witnesses would be brought in would retard rather than help our investigation.Yep, that is a very strange statement. I doubt however it is rooted in the notion that a conspiracy could have occurred, rather more the political atmosphere of the time.
Belin , in both his books and Specter in his, are adamant they were given the latitude to seek out a conspiracy. Belin was emphatic about that and he set out to find one. Except he could not find one.
Re: Chief Warren Didn't Want An Investigation! - Ben Holmes - 07-24-2016
Patrick C Wrote:As is normal with WCR Supporters, you didn't really address the point that was being made, so I'll make it again:Chief Warren Wrote:Meetings where witnesses would be brought in would retard rather than help our investigation.Yep, that is a very strange statement. I doubt however it is rooted in the notion that a conspiracy could have occurred, rather more the political atmosphere of the time.
Belin , in both his books and Specter in his, are adamant they were given the latitude to seek out a conspiracy. Belin was emphatic about that and he set out to find one. Except he could not find one.
The following facts fit far better with the intention of doing a cover-up...
For at the first meeting of the Warren Commission, here's some of Chief Warren's statements:
- He did not want the Commission to employ any of their own investigators.
- He did not want the Commission to gather evidence. Instead he wished for them to rely on reports made by other agencies like the FBI and Secret Service.
- He did not want their hearings to be public. He did not want to employ the power of subpoena.
- Incredibly, he did not even want to call any witnesses. He wanted to rely on interviews done by other agencies.
- He then made a very curious comment, "Meetings where witnesses would be brought in would retard rather than help our investigation.
I know that not a SINGLE believer will step up and defend these facts as the beginnings of a real investigation...
Note that Patrick failed to do what I said no believer will... Patrick cannot defend these actions & statements as the beginning of a real investigation. The Warren Commission was a political operation designed to quash any notion of a conspiracy... and they failed to succeed in doing so...
The HSCA admitted to a probable conspiracy, and pointed out a number of flaws in the Warren Commission's handling of the case ... but the HSCA simply doesn't exist to the WCR Supporters...
If it doesn't prove the WCR's theory - Lone Nutters don't want to hear it...
Re: Chief Warren Didn't Want An Investigation! - Patrick C - 07-26-2016
Wow, I have not been called a liar.....
Ben Holmes Wrote:The Warren Commission was a political operation designed to quash any notion of a conspiracy... and they failed to succeed in doing so...There were yes I am sure political elements (the avoidance of the Castro plots by the CIA for example), but according to the likes of David Belin, they were absolutely urged to seek out a conspiracy.....problem is they did not fine one....
Ben Holmes Wrote:The HSCA admitted to a probable conspiracy, and pointed out a number of flaws in the Warren Commission's handling of the case ... but the HSCA simply doesn't exist to the WCR Supporters...Yes of course it does and I for one refer to it far more that the WC, but the HSCA concluded Oswald acted alone UNTIL the dictabelt evidence arrived......which IMO has been debunked completely. Blakey of course maintained the "Mob did it", but he never really showed anything but his hunches on that.....
Fonzi came out of it thinking a conspiracy existed and Lopez, but show me the "evidence" from HSCA that indicates a conspiracy....?
Re: Chief Warren Didn't Want An Investigation! - David Healy - 07-26-2016
Patrick, Patrick, Patrick:
pg16: Harold Weisberg's WHITEWASH III Supressed Kennedy Assassination Photographs:
quote
Worse, most of the available pictures were deliberately refused and are not in evidence at all, as I shall document from the Commission's own files.
In not a single case were the pictures taken by any of the photgraphers properly qualified in evidence. In not one single case was the person who took the pictures on the witness stand to qualify them when they were placed in evidence. Moorman, Willis and Zapruder never testified before any member of the Commission, and none was interogated by any member of the staff until a month after the Commission had planned to finish its work. All were questioned in a whirlwind day of deposition-taking by Leibler, in Dallas July 23rd 1964, together with a member of other witnesses, questioned on other subjects. In not a single case did Leibler want the original picture or negative from which it was printed. In not a single case did he ask for the production of the camera or its description or that of the lens... (emphasis mine)
quote off
to be continued, Patrick
Re: Chief Warren Didn't Want An Investigation! - Ben Holmes - 07-26-2016
Patrick C Wrote:Wow, I have not been called a liar.....I reserve labeling someone a liar when they actually post a lie. Did you post something you knew to be a lie, and I missed it?
Patrick C Wrote:You've continued to refuse to address the fact that they demonstrated, right from the beginning, that they didn't want to actually do an investigation...Ben Holmes Wrote:As is normal with WCR Supporters, you didn't really address the point that was being made, so I'll make it again:There were yes I am sure political elements (the avoidance of the Castro plots by the CIA for example), but according to the likes of David Belin, they were absolutely urged to seek out a conspiracy.....problem is they did not fine one....
The following facts fit far better with the intention of doing a cover-up...
For at the first meeting of the Warren Commission, here's some of Chief Warren's statements:
He did not want the Commission to employ any of their own investigators.
He did not want the Commission to gather evidence. Instead he wished for them to rely on reports made by other agencies like the FBI and Secret Service.
He did not want their hearings to be public. He did not want to employ the power of subpoena.
Incredibly, he did not even want to call any witnesses. He wanted to rely on interviews done by other agencies.
He then made a very curious comment, "Meetings where witnesses would be brought in would retard rather than help our investigation.
I know that not a SINGLE believer will step up and defend these facts as the beginnings of a real investigation...
Note that Patrick failed to do what I said no believer will... Patrick cannot defend these actions & statements as the beginning of a real investigation. The Warren Commission was a political operation designed to quash any notion of a conspiracy... and they failed to succeed in doing so...
Patrick C Wrote:Why would you ask me to show you what the HSCA classified?Ben Holmes Wrote:The HSCA admitted to a probable conspiracy, and pointed out a number of flaws in the Warren Commission's handling of the case ... but the HSCA simply doesn't exist to the WCR Supporters...Yes of course it does and I for one refer to it far more that the WC, but the HSCA concluded Oswald acted alone UNTIL the dictabelt evidence arrived......which IMO has been debunked completely. Blakey of course maintained the "Mob did it", but he never really showed anything but his hunches on that.....
Fonzi came out of it thinking a conspiracy existed and Lopez, but show me the "evidence" from HSCA that indicates a conspiracy....?
P.S. Still running from telling everyone how you would differentiate a shot heard from the Railroad yards from a shot heard from the Grassy Knoll.