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A.J. Hidell - Alias or Real Person? - Ben Holmes - 08-02-2016
"... but there is no evidence that an "A. J. Hidell" existed." (WCR 292)
"Because Oswald's use of this pseudonym became known quickly after the assassination, investigations were conducted with regard to persons using the name Hidell or names similar to it." (WCR 313)
"Hidell was a favorite alias used by Oswald on a number of occasions. Diligent search has failed to reveal any person in Dallas or New Orleans by that name." (WCR 645)
But the actual evidence shows otherwise:
Quote:I, John Rene Heindel, 812 Belleville Street, New Orleans, Louisiana, being first duly sworn, depose and say: ...While in the Marine Corps, I was often referred to as "Hidell"--pronounced so as to rhyme with "Rydell" rather than "Fidel." This was a nickname and not merely an inadvertent mispronounciation. It is possible that Oswald might have heard me being called by this name; indeed he may himself have called me "Hidell." However, I have no specific recollection of his either using or hearing this name." (8H 318)
If a WCR Supporter wishes to argue that the staff was unaware of this deposition, they'll need to face this:
Mr. JENNER. Do you remember a marine by the name of John Heindel?
Mr. POWERS. No, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Sometimes called Hidell? This is Atsugi now.
Mr. POWERS. No. (8H 288)
The WCR once again, simply lied. And although John R. Heindel was known from a Secret Service investigation conducted in New Orleans from 22Nov - 2Dec; (See CE3119 pg 12) no other research has been presented... presumably, the FBI, Secret Service, and WC simply declined to investigate Heindel.
Interestingly enough, the Dallas Police list of property seized on Nov 23rd at the Paine residence includes the following: "four 3 x 5 cards bearing respectively names G. Hall; A.J. Hidell; B. Davis; and V.T. Lee" (CE 2003 pg 269)
Gus Hall, Benjamin Davis, and Vincent T. Lee are real people of prominence in the leftist political movement. If A. J. Hidell is a fake name invented by Oswald, the subtlety of preparing an index card for Hidell, and putting it in with known real people was certainly nothing less than brilliant. (to paraphrase Silvia Meagher)
Anyone care to defend the WCR in it's obvious lie here?
RE: A.J. Hidell - Alias or Real Person? - Patrick C - 08-03-2016
(08-02-2016, 03:38 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote: "... but there is no evidence that an "A. J. Hidell" existed." (WCR 292)
It was an alias made up by Oswald. Period. 100%
Do you see a conspiracy issue on every single aspect of this open and shut case...?
RE: A.J. Hidell - Alias or Real Person? - Mark Ulrik - 08-03-2016
(08-03-2016, 11:18 AM)Patrick C Wrote:(08-02-2016, 03:38 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote: "... but there is no evidence that an "A. J. Hidell" existed." (WCR 292)
It was an alias made up by Oswald. Period. 100%
Do you see a conspiracy issue on every single aspect of this open and shut case...?
Ben's desperation is showing. Heindell's nickname may have inspired Oswald, but that does not make J. R. Heindel = A. J. Hidell.
RE: A.J. Hidell - Alias or Real Person? - Ben Holmes - 08-03-2016
(08-03-2016, 11:18 AM)Patrick C Wrote:(08-02-2016, 03:38 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote: "... but there is no evidence that an "A. J. Hidell" existed." (WCR 292)
It was an alias made up by Oswald. Period. 100%
Do you see a conspiracy issue on every single aspect of this open and shut case...?
I just demonstrated, using citation to the evidence, that this is untrue. Tell us Patrick, are you willing to state for the record that Mr. Jenner was lying? Or that I lied about what Mr. Jenner stated?
For either YOU are lying, or Mr. Jenner is...
And since you've refused to retract your lie that McAdams' tabulation is "unassailable" - indeed, absolutely REFUSE to debate the issue, you're a proven liar ... so I'll just point it out again, and move on...
RE: A.J. Hidell - Alias or Real Person? - Ben Holmes - 08-03-2016
(08-03-2016, 12:16 PM)Mark Ulrik Wrote:(08-03-2016, 11:18 AM)Patrick C Wrote:(08-02-2016, 03:38 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote: "... but there is no evidence that an "A. J. Hidell" existed." (WCR 292)
It was an alias made up by Oswald. Period. 100%
Do you see a conspiracy issue on every single aspect of this open and shut case...?
Ben's desperation is showing. Heindell's nickname may have inspired Oswald, but that does not make J. R. Heindel = A. J. Hidell.
Mr. Jenner quite clearly implied this.
Tell us Mark, was Mr. Jenner lying?
Indeed, it's YOUR desperation that is clearly being shown by your refusal to cite evidence, and address the cited evidence. Why is that, Mark?
RE: A.J. Hidell - Alias or Real Person? - Mark Ulrik - 08-04-2016
(08-03-2016, 03:05 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:(08-03-2016, 12:16 PM)Mark Ulrik Wrote:(08-03-2016, 11:18 AM)Patrick C Wrote:(08-02-2016, 03:38 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote: "... but there is no evidence that an "A. J. Hidell" existed." (WCR 292)
It was an alias made up by Oswald. Period. 100%
Do you see a conspiracy issue on every single aspect of this open and shut case...?
Ben's desperation is showing. Heindell's nickname may have inspired Oswald, but that does not make J. R. Heindel = A. J. Hidell.
Mr. Jenner quite clearly implied this.
Tell us Mark, was Mr. Jenner lying?
Indeed, it's YOUR desperation that is clearly being shown by your refusal to cite evidence, and address the cited evidence. Why is that, Mark?
Silly. He was showing interest in a name. How can that possibly be interpreted as lying?
RE: A.J. Hidell - Alias or Real Person? - Ben Holmes - 08-04-2016
(08-04-2016, 10:15 AM)Mark Ulrik Wrote:(08-03-2016, 03:05 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:(08-03-2016, 12:16 PM)Mark Ulrik Wrote:(08-03-2016, 11:18 AM)Patrick C Wrote:(08-02-2016, 03:38 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote: "... but there is no evidence that an "A. J. Hidell" existed." (WCR 292)
It was an alias made up by Oswald. Period. 100%
Do you see a conspiracy issue on every single aspect of this open and shut case...?
Ben's desperation is showing. Heindell's nickname may have inspired Oswald, but that does not make J. R. Heindel = A. J. Hidell.
Mr. Jenner quite clearly implied this.
Tell us Mark, was Mr. Jenner lying?
Indeed, it's YOUR desperation that is clearly being shown by your refusal to cite evidence, and address the cited evidence. Why is that, Mark?
Silly. He was showing interest in a name. How can that possibly be interpreted as lying?
Good of you to admit that Mr. Jenner specifically referred to a name that the Warren Commission claimed had no evidence of existence.
Once again, a provable lie on the part of the Warren Commission lies unrefuted...
RE: A.J. Hidell - Alias or Real Person? - Patrick C - 08-04-2016
(08-03-2016, 03:03 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:(08-03-2016, 11:18 AM)Patrick C Wrote:And since you've refused to retract your lie that McAdams' tabulation is "unassailable" - indeed, absolutely REFUSE to debate the issue, you're a proven liar ... so I'll just point it out again, and move on...(08-02-2016, 03:38 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote: "... but there is no evidence that an "A. J. Hidell" existed." (WCR 292)
Absolute nonsense. Will you STOP calling me a liar !!! its is thugish and ignorant.
I stated simply that I had not seen ALL the McAdams categorisations, but I made it very clear what the key point was.
Unfortunately for you your intellectual rigour in this matter seems to be severely lacking, but that should be no no surprise to anyone as you have consistently demonstrated your tunnel vision on this subject. Your need to be right about every little piece of information - most of which is barely relevant - outweighs athe contribution you make to any overall debate.
As I stated to you last week - keep calling me a liar and I will pay little attention to your web site and you can enjoy near solitude.
Hidell was an alias used by the lone assassin. Period.
RE: A.J. Hidell - Alias or Real Person? - Ben Holmes - 08-04-2016
(08-04-2016, 06:19 PM)Patrick C Wrote:(08-02-2016, 03:38 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote: "... but there is no evidence that an "A. J. Hidell" existed." (WCR 292)
And since you've refused to retract your lie that McAdams' tabulation is "unassailable" - indeed, absolutely REFUSE to debate the issue, you're a proven liar ... so I'll just point it out again, and move on...
Absolute nonsense. Will you STOP calling me a liar !!! its is thugish and ignorant.
I stated simply that I had not seen ALL the McAdams categorisations, but I made it very clear what the key point was.
You stated very clearly that the McAdams' tabulation was "unassailable" - yet now you ADMIT that there's one provable error. That means that you lied.
Because you refuse to retract your false claim - it's clearly a lie - and that makes you a liar. Why should I stop pointing out WHAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE?
If you can show how the McAdams' tabulation is both in error and "unassailable" at the same time, then I'll be happy to apologize for labeling you a liar.
But I won't hold my breath...
(08-04-2016, 06:19 PM)Patrick C Wrote: Unfortunately for you your intellectual rigour in this matter seems to be severely lacking, but that should be no no surprise to anyone as you have consistently demonstrated your tunnel vision on this subject. Your need to be right about every little piece of information - most of which is barely relevant - outweighs athe contribution you make to any overall debate.
And yet, I am completely and totally correct in the assertion that McAdams' tabulation is provably wrong. That makes you the liar on this issue, since you absolutely refuse to retract your false claim.
(08-04-2016, 06:19 PM)Patrick C Wrote: As I stated to you last week - keep calling me a liar and I will pay little attention to your web site and you can enjoy near solitude.
And I've pointed out before what these threats do to me... absolutely nothing. I'm sure that you'd be quite happy if I failed to point out lies told by WCR Supporters - it would allow you to post material that may convince somone... but if you want to convince anyone on THIS forum, you'll do it with the evidence.
I'm not surprised that you ran time and time again from the question about the Railroad yard... I'm sure you figured out that you'd be indicting McAdams when you finally answered... as indeed you did.
(08-04-2016, 06:19 PM)Patrick C Wrote: Hidell was an alias used by the lone assassin. Period.
So what's your explanation for Mr. Jenner's statement? Surely you must have one...
The Warren Commission lied, and you cannot refute that simple fact.
RE: A.J. Hidell - Alias or Real Person? - Mark Ulrik - 08-04-2016
(08-04-2016, 02:40 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:(08-04-2016, 10:15 AM)Mark Ulrik Wrote:(08-03-2016, 03:05 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:(08-03-2016, 12:16 PM)Mark Ulrik Wrote: Ben's desperation is showing. Heindell's nickname may have inspired Oswald, but that does not make J. R. Heindel = A. J. Hidell.
Mr. Jenner quite clearly implied this.
Tell us Mark, was Mr. Jenner lying?
Indeed, it's YOUR desperation that is clearly being shown by your refusal to cite evidence, and address the cited evidence. Why is that, Mark?
Silly. He was showing interest in a name. How can that possibly be interpreted as lying?
Good of you to admit that Mr. Jenner specifically referred to a name that the Warren Commission claimed had no evidence of existence.
Once again, a provable lie on the part of the Warren Commission lies unrefuted...
They couldn't find an actual person named A. J. Hidell (an alias used by L. H. Oswald). They did, however, identify a man whose nickname may have inspired Oswald.