Patrick Collins Runs!!!

***Ben Holmes*** · 09-23-2016, 01:52 PM

It's been nearly a week... Patrick Collins simply refuses to retract or support the obvious lies he tells. This is not a 'matter of opinion'...

Dr. Baden made a statement CONTRADICTED by the Autopsy Report.

Patrick wants to have it both ways - he's unwilling to argue that the Autopsy Report is wrong, YET HE CLAIMS THAT DR. BADEN WAS RIGHT WHEN HE CONTRADICTED THE AUTOPSY REPORT!!

But Patrick's silence was not unexpected... Patrick, Henry, Anderson, Dale, David Von Pein, (and undoubtedly others I don't recall) have ALL EXHIBITED THIS SAME BEHAVIOR - when caught in a blatant lie, they have the tendency to simply disappear for long periods of time, days, weeks, even months...

But if and when Patrick dares to return, he'd better be prepared to explain why he thinks Dr. Baden is correct in stating that "The head exit wound was not in the parietal-occipital area...", yet argues that the Autopsy Report is correct in it's placement of the large wound.

Here's just one of the posts that Patrick is running from:

(09-17-2016, 04:45 PM)Patrick C Wrote:
Ben Holmes Wrote:Patrick - TELL US WHERE THE LARGE WOUND ON JFK'S HEAD WAS...

Use medical terminology, and be as accurate as you can.

If you DARE to use the terms Parietal or Occipital - you'll have proven yourself a liar.

The answer is clearly stated in the autopsy report

Quote:There is a large irregular defect of the scalp and skull on the right
involving chiefly the parietal bone but extending somewhat into the
temporal and occipital regions. In this region there is an actual
absence of scalp and bone producing a defect which measures
approximately 13 cm. in greatest diameter.

Yep... you're a liar, Patrick. You state that Dr. Baden was "Baden is quite correct of course..." when he said "The head exit wound was not in the parietal-occipital area, as the Parkland doctors said."

(09-17-2016, 04:45 PM)Patrick C Wrote:
Ben Holmes Wrote:If you DARE to use the terms Parietal or Occipital - you'll have proven yourself a liar.

It is clear that I am dealing with a very strange and mixed up mind here. What kind of absolute tripe is that.

Those terms are in the medical report so it is impossible for me to be a liar on that matter - do you not understand that!

What a waste of time. That is about my hour up I think.

You claim it's impossible for you to be a liar - YET YOU PROVABLY DID LIE!!! You claimed that Dr. Baden was "quite correct."

Then instead of answering my last post - YOU POSTED AS IF IT DIDN'T EVEN APPEAR HERE!

Here's the post you ran from:

Ben Holmes Wrote:You're lying again, Patrick!

Dr. Baden stated that "The head exit wound was not in the parietal-occipital area, as the Parkland doctors said."

You asserted that Dr. Baden was "Baden is quite correct of course..."

Then you contradict what he said.

Who has problems with the English language?

I'll make it real easy for you... you stated that Dr. Baden was correct...

WAS DR. BADEN CORRECT WHEN HE STATED THAT: "The head exit wound was not in the parietal-occipital area, as the Parkland doctors said."?

Now why couldn't you answer the question?

WHY ARE YOU SUCH A COWARD, PATRICK?

Lee Abbott · 09-23-2016, 04:26 PM

(09-23-2016, 01:52 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote: It's been nearly a week... Patrick Collins simply refuses to retract or support the obvious lies he tells. This is not a 'matter of opinion'...

Dr. Baden made a statement CONTRADICTED by the Autopsy Report.

Patrick wants to have it both ways - he's unwilling to argue that the Autopsy Report is wrong, YET HE CLAIMS THAT DR. BADEN WAS RIGHT WHEN HE CONTRADICTED THE AUTOPSY REPORT!!

But Patrick's silence was not unexpected... Patrick, Henry, Anderson, Dale, David Von Pein, (and undoubtedly others I don't recall) have ALL EXHIBITED THIS SAME BEHAVIOR - when caught in a blatant lie, they have the tendency to simply disappear for long periods of time, days, weeks, even months...

But if and when Patrick dares to return, he'd better be prepared to explain why he thinks Dr. Baden is correct in stating that "The head exit wound was not in the parietal-occipital area...", yet argues that the Autopsy Report is correct in it's placement of the large wound.

Here's just one of the posts that Patrick is running from:

(09-17-2016, 04:45 PM)Patrick C Wrote:
Ben Holmes Wrote:Patrick - TELL US WHERE THE LARGE WOUND ON JFK'S HEAD WAS...

Use medical terminology, and be as accurate as you can.

If you DARE to use the terms Parietal or Occipital - you'll have proven yourself a liar.

The answer is clearly stated in the autopsy report

Quote:There is a large irregular defect of the scalp and skull on the right
involving chiefly the parietal bone but extending somewhat into the
temporal and occipital regions. In this region there is an actual
absence of scalp and bone producing a defect which measures
approximately 13 cm. in greatest diameter.

Yep... you're a liar, Patrick. You state that Dr. Baden was "Baden is quite correct of course..." when he said "The head exit wound was not in the parietal-occipital area, as the Parkland doctors said."

(09-17-2016, 04:45 PM)Patrick C Wrote:
Ben Holmes Wrote:If you DARE to use the terms Parietal or Occipital - you'll have proven yourself a liar.

It is clear that I am dealing with a very strange and mixed up mind here. What kind of absolute tripe is that.

Those terms are in the medical report so it is impossible for me to be a liar on that matter - do you not understand that!

What a waste of time. That is about my hour up I think.

You claim it's impossible for you to be a liar - YET YOU PROVABLY DID LIE!!! You claimed that Dr. Baden was "quite correct."

Then instead of answering my last post - YOU POSTED AS IF IT DIDN'T EVEN APPEAR HERE!

Here's the post you ran from:

Ben Holmes Wrote:You're lying again, Patrick!

Dr. Baden stated that "The head exit wound was not in the parietal-occipital area, as the Parkland doctors said."

You asserted that Dr. Baden was "Baden is quite correct of course..."

Then you contradict what he said.

Who has problems with the English language?

I'll make it real easy for you... you stated that Dr. Baden was correct...

WAS DR. BADEN CORRECT WHEN HE STATED THAT: "The head exit wound was not in the parietal-occipital area, as the Parkland doctors said."?

Now why couldn't you answer the question?

WHY ARE YOU SUCH A COWARD, PATRICK?

The good news is Patrick graduated from Cambridge University in Engand...The bad news is he majored in dishonesty.

Patrick C · 09-23-2016, 05:31 PM

Anyone with any knowledge of the case and common sense knows that the wound covered three bones according to the autopsy report.

The Dallas doctors placed the wound further back by memory causing the silly wound alteration or cover up theory to arise.

What Baden is saying is that the major part of the wound was pariatel. He cannot disagree with the wound extending to the occipital bone as that is stated in the medical report. He is concerned with the extent to which it did that.

Ben Holmes Wrote:WAS DR. BADEN CORRECT WHEN HE STATED THAT: "The head exit wound was not in the parietal-occipital area, as the Parkland doctors said."?

You stated

Ben Holmes Wrote:Patrick, for example; claiming that Dr. Baden was correct when he stated that the wound was not in the Parietal-Occipital... This is a tactic that David Von Pein is guilty of as well...

Well I must have been high as kite then or you are misrepresenting what I stated.

No, unless he qualified that it was also temporal. Though technically you could argue that as the wound was parietal-occipital and temporal it was not only parietal-occipital.

The argument is tedious and merely semantic and a complete waste of time.

That you are chasing your tale on this non subject Ben just tells us what a time waster you are.

Don't expect any further comments from me on this point - I am not interested in it. Pip Pip.

***Ben Holmes*** · 09-23-2016, 09:59 PM

(09-23-2016, 05:31 PM)Patrick C Wrote: Anyone with any knowledge of the case and common sense knows that the wound covered three bones according to the autopsy report.

I know that... I'm willing to state publicly that it was Parietal-Occipital-Temporal.

But Dr. Baden stated that "The head exit wound was not in the parietal-occipital area..."

You stated that Dr. Baden was correct.

Yet you STILL have been unable to support Dr. Baden's explicit statement... in fact, YOU HAVE CONTRADICTED IT.

No wonder you run...

(09-23-2016, 05:31 PM)Patrick C Wrote: The Dallas doctors placed the wound further back by memory causing the silly wound alteration or cover up theory to arise.

You've never supported this statement with anything at all.

What part of "Parietal-Occipital" is "further back" than "Parietal-Occipital?"

You can't answer this question...

Indeed, IT HAD TO HAVE BEEN THE PROSECTORS WHO PLACE THE WOUND "FURTHER BACK" - since they describe a larger wound in the same location.

You can't refute this... so you simply illustrate your cowardice.

(09-23-2016, 05:31 PM)Patrick C Wrote: What Baden is saying is that the major part of the wound was pariatel. He cannot disagree with the wound extending to the occipital bone as that is stated in the medical report. He is concerned with the extent to which it did that.

Tut tut tut... you're lying again, Patrick.

Dr. Baden was quite explicit: "The head exit wound was not in the parietal-occipital area, as the Parkland doctors said."

This is PRECISELY where the Autopsy Report puts it (disregarding, for the moment, which side of the head it fell on.)

What part of "Parietal-Occipital" conflicts with "Parietal-Occipital?"

ANSWER THE QUESTION, COWARD!!!

(09-23-2016, 05:31 PM)Patrick C Wrote:
Ben Holmes Wrote:WAS DR. BADEN CORRECT WHEN HE STATED THAT: "The head exit wound was not in the parietal-occipital area, as the Parkland doctors said."?

Ben Holmes Wrote:Patrick, for example; claiming that Dr. Baden was correct when he stated that the wound was not in the Parietal-Occipital... This is a tactic that David Von Pein is guilty of as well...

Well I must have been high as kite then or you are misrepresenting what I stated.

You asserted that Dr. Baden was correct. He stated that "The head exit wound was not in the parietal-occipital area, as the Parkland doctors said."

You then contradict Dr. Baden by stating that the large wound WAS in the Parietal-Occipital area.

Now, I've repeatedly asked you if Dr. Baden was telling the truth... not in what you PRETEND he said... but in the quote that I repeatedly re-quote.

Why are you so afraid to be honest?

Why do you sink to implying that I've not represented what you said EXACTLY?

The posts are still in this forum, and anyone can locate them.

(09-23-2016, 05:31 PM)Patrick C Wrote: No, unless he qualified that it was also temporal. Though technically you could argue that as the wound was parietal-occipital and temporal it was not only parietal-occipital.

You can safely ignore the temporal - this was certainly implied by the statement that it was on the right side of the head behind the ear. What part of "Parietal-Occipital" is different than "Parietal-Occipital?"

You can keep running like a yellow coward, but you aren't impressing anyone.

Dr. Baden was CLEARLY WRONG - and you don't have the guts to admit it.

This means that YOU WERE LYING when you claimed that Dr. Baden was correct.

You simply cannot have it both ways.

(09-23-2016, 05:31 PM)Patrick C Wrote: The argument is tedious and merely semantic and a complete waste of time.

That you are chasing your tale on this non subject Ben just tells us what a time waster you are.

Don't expect any further comments from me on this point - I am not interested in it. Pip Pip.

Yep... yellow coward.

An honest man would long ago have stated that Dr. Baden cannot be correct. The location he claims that the wound did not occupy is precisely where the Autopsy Report puts it.

Believers are always afraid to point out when another believer isn't correct... because it's not the truth that impels you... it's your faith.