[Ben Holmes]

(10-01-2016, 05:29 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  

Ben Holmes Wrote:All you've done is illustrate that you don't have the facts to support your claims, and second, that you don't know history.

Complete tripe. I studied history at one of the finest universities in the world under one of the most famous historians of the 20th century Sir Hugh Trevor Roper. You know NOTHING about what I know about history Holmes, but I'll wager it is rather a lot more than you.

Then tell us why you made such an historically unsound statement?

Why did you claim that it "beggars belief" that members of the Secret Service could have been involved in the murder of a President? You claim now to know history, and you cannot possibly deny that history is filled with examples of a security detail killing their primary.

And despite the fact that I've given easily researched historical examples - you refuse to retract your statement... why is that, Patrick?
 

(10-01-2016, 05:29 PM)Patrick C Wrote:   

Ben Holmes Wrote:But Patrick cannot address that evidence, and has sunk to denying historical reality.

Again complete nonsense. I am NOT denying that leaders have been assassinated by their protectors and double crossed over the ages - why would I deny that....? What a ridiculous thing to say.

And yet, this is PRECISELY what you did. You stated, (and snipped out of this post): "the idea that individuals in the US SS were part of a plot to kill JFK...beggars belief."

You quite clearly now admit that it doesn't beggar such belief historically, so why are you now denying your claim?
 

(10-01-2016, 05:29 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  You are seemingly  incapable of intelligent debate and this is reflected in your hopelessly inacurate and frankly inarticulate assertions toward some one who you know very little about.

I've presented historical evidence that proves you either lied, or you're ignorant of history.

What is not "intelligent" about that?

And why have you refused to defend your claim that "the idea that individuals in the US SS were part of a plot to kill JFK...beggars belief." - after I've presented the evidence that demolishes it?
 

WHY DOES IT "BEGGAR BELIEF" - WHEN YOU ADMIT THE TRUTH THAT HISTORY TEACHES US?

[Patrick C]

Ben Holmes Wrote:I've presented historical evidence that proves you either lied, or you're ignorant of history.

You have proved nothing of the sort. 

Intelligent and educated readers will understand why that is.

Have you heard the term intellectual accumen? Go look it up.

[Ben Holmes]

(10-02-2016, 10:44 AM)Patrick C Wrote:  

Ben Holmes Wrote:I've presented historical evidence that proves you either lied, or you're ignorant of history.

You have proved nothing of the sort. 

Intelligent and educated readers will understand why that is.

Have you heard the term intellectual accumen? Go look it up.

The fact that you refuse to address the contradiction between your claim, and the historical facts I listed... demonstrate quite a bit about intellectual accumen.

Not... however... what you pretend to believe.

Here it is again for you to run from: Your claim: "the idea that individuals in the US SS were part of a plot to kill JFK...beggars belief."

Yet you publicly admitted that historically, leaders have been killed by their security guards.

So why does the Secret Service complicity in the murder of JFK "beggar belief?"

Why are you so afraid to defend your statements?

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