[Patrick C]

Mac Kilduff interview in which he talks about the shots.

As the shots were fired Kilduff heard them and turned back to the TSBD......he states clearly that he did not at any time think the shots came from the front.

So in effect he confirms that the gesture he made in the press gathering when he announced the death and pointed to his right temple was merely just that - a gesture. This finally wraps up all that silliness around Kilduff supposedly pointing to the front of his head because that is where JFK was hit.

Kilduff also states he does not think that Oswald intended to shoot John F. Kennedy, rather Connally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSpw9w5GGYk

[Ben Holmes]

(10-17-2016, 03:56 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  Mac Kilduff interview in which he talks about the shots.

As the shots were fired Kilduff heard them and turned back to the TSBD......he states clearly that he did not at any time think the shots came from the front.

So in effect he confirms that the gesture he made in the press gathering when he announced the death and pointed to his right temple was merely just that - a gesture. This finally wraps up all that silliness around Kilduff supposedly pointing to the front of his head because that is where JFK was hit.

Kilduff also states he does not think that Oswald intended to shoot John F. Kennedy, rather Connally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSpw9w5GGYk

The "gesture" he made referred to the wounds that were reported to him. He gives the source that told him where the wounds were located.

Patrick will ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to admit who this source was...

Watch!

[Patrick C]

He says he has a call from Dr Perry. At no point does he say he was told WHERE the shots came from. And he states the shots came from the rear. 

No wonder you have such a ridiculous view on the case. You can't understand English.

Kilduff states he heard no shots from the front and he says nothing about being told ANYTHING to the contrary.

Make stuff up all you like Ben, but understand it speaks volumes about your take on this open and shut case.

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It was interesting to hear Mac Kilduff say he thought Oswald was after Connally, maybe the fatal head shot was aimed at Connally as he fell left and poor old JFK got in the way.....it is possible and a lot more likely than your 7 shot 5 shooter scenario.....

[Ben Holmes]

(10-17-2016, 05:41 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  

Ben Holmes Wrote:The "gesture" he made referred to the wounds that were reported to him. He gives the source that told him where the wounds were located.

Patrick will ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to admit who this source was...

Watch!

He says he has a call from Dr Perry. At no point does he say he was told WHERE the shots came from. And he states the shots came from the rear. 

No wonder you have such a ridiculous view on the case. You can't understand English.

Remember folks, I PREDICTED IT!!!

Patrick has come out with an outright lie.

I invite Patrick to go to the 2:39 mark on this video:





Then tell us again just who gave Kilduff his information about the head wound...

We HAVE debated this before, and you lied before on this issue. It's truly amusing to watch believers twist and turn and outright lie on this issue...
 

(10-17-2016, 05:41 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  Kilduff states he heard no shots from the front and he says nothing about being told ANYTHING to the contrary.

Make stuff up all you like Ben, but understand it speaks volumes about your take on this open and shut case.

Indeed, it's YOU that's making things up. I can cite for my statements... you cannot.
 

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(10-17-2016, 05:41 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  It was interesting to hear Mac Kilduff say he thought Oswald was after Connally, maybe the fatal head shot was aimed at Connally as he fell left and poor old JFK got in the way.....it is possible and a lot more likely than your 7 shot 5 shooter scenario.....

Who cares?

Speculation is just speculation... But lies are outright lies.

WHO DID MALCOLM KILDUFF STATE GAVE HIM THE LOCATION OF JFK'S WOUNDS???

And why did you lie about it?

[Patrick C]

There is no lie Holmes. He clearly implies it was Dr. Perry.

Have you been to any English comprehension classes yet...? You really do need to consider that if you want to argue with intelligent adults.

[Ben Holmes]

(10-23-2016, 04:38 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  There is no lie Holmes. He clearly implies it was Dr. Perry.

Have you been to any English comprehension classes yet...? You really do need to consider that if you want to argue with intelligent adults.

The only way I could force you to watch that video, and publicly state what Malcom Kilduff actually said... would be to stand over you with a baseball bat.

That's a very sad commentary on your ABSOLUTELY AMAZING lack of honesty.

I've given you the video, I told you exactly where to go on the video, and yet you STILL can't publicly admit the truth.

You're quite the yellow coward, Patrick.

As is Henry, who quite blatantly lied on this topic as well...

[Patrick C]

Once again you miss the point.

In the 1991 interview Kilduff states that it was Perry who advised him that Kennedy had died from a bullet head wound. I mereley advised you of that. You cannot deny that that is what he said in 1991 and I suspect, he said that because Perry was the first doctor to tell him.

We all know in the original announcement at the end that Kilduff states "Dr Burkely told me it was a simple matter of a bullet right through the head".

This implies that Burlkely simply advised or confirmed that it was a head shot that killed JFK.

Determining the exact sequence of those messages to  Kilduff is not possible and is frankly irrelevant.

Your pedentic and frankly pointless line of argument is also irrelevant to the matter of conspiracy in this case.

And is a great example of why myself and many othere choose largely to ignore you or spend as little time engaging with you as possible.

[Ben Holmes]

(10-25-2016, 02:19 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  Once again you miss the point.

In the 1991 interview Kilduff states that it was Perry who advised him that Kennedy had died from a bullet head wound. I mereley advised you of that. You cannot deny that that is what he said in 1991 and I suspect, he said that because Perry was the first doctor to tell him.

We all know in the original announcement at the end that Kilduff states "Dr Burkely told me it was a simple matter of a bullet right through the head".

This implies that Burlkely simply advised or confirmed that it was a head shot that killed JFK.

Determining the exact sequence of those messages to  Kilduff is not possible and is frankly irrelevant.

Your pedentic and frankly pointless line of argument is also irrelevant to the matter of conspiracy in this case.

And is a great example of why myself and many othere choose largely to ignore you or spend as little time engaging with you as possible.

The point is a simple one - and one I've not missed at all.

Malcolm Kilduff CLEARLY STATED that he got his information from Dr. Burkley - and both you and Henry have REPEATEDLY LIED on that issue.

You're now finally admitting what I've been stating all along... that it was Dr. Burkley, and NOT KILDUFF VIEWING THE WOUNDS, NOR DR. PERRY, NOR ANY OTHER FALSE CLAIM.

It's really simple... Malcolm Kilduff got his information from Dr. Burkley... SAID that he got it from Dr. Burkley - and you've been lying on this point.

Why?

[Patrick C]

Are you for real....?

I mean can you not read...?

Ben Holmes Wrote:You're now finally admitting what I've been stating all along... that it was Dr. Burkley, and NOT KILDUFF VIEWING THE WOUNDS, NOR DR. PERRY, NOR ANY OTHER FALSE CLAIM.

NO I AM NOT saying anything of the sort.

What I said was Kilduff stated Dr Burkley was the source on Nov 22 and then in 1991 in an interview that it was Dr. Perry who was the source. Period. That you cannot understand that, makes you appear frankly stupid.

I have also stated in my opinion that it does not matter which doctor told Kilduff that Kennedy was dead from a bullet to the head. I also stated that one could reasonably assume that the protocol would be to refer to the president's personal physician as the source of all medical statements on the presidents condition even if he was actually not.

I have also stated that he may have been informed by more than one doctor that Kennedy was dead and that we may not know the chronological sequence on that information being passed to Kilduff.

That you have twisted the above into something of your own illogical making accusing me of lying simply re-enforces my assertion that you are dumb - and that is being polite.

[Ben Holmes]

(10-29-2016, 11:18 AM)Patrick C Wrote:  Are you for real....?

I mean can you not read...?

Ben Holmes Wrote:You're now finally admitting what I've been stating all along... that it was Dr. Burkley, and NOT KILDUFF VIEWING THE WOUNDS, NOR DR. PERRY, NOR ANY OTHER FALSE CLAIM.

NO I AM NOT saying anything of the sort.

What I said was Kilduff stated Dr Burkley was the source on Nov 22 and then in 1991 in an interview that it was Dr. Perry who was the source. Period. That you cannot understand that, makes you appear frankly stupid.

You're lying again, Patrick.

Even in the decades later interview, all Kilduff ACTUALLY said was that Dr. Perry had told him that JFK was dead. No comment WHATSOEVER about the wounds...

Which he'd contemporaneously stated Dr. Burkley had been the source...

Why is this so difficult for you, Patrick?

WHY CAN'T YOU PUBLICLY ADMIT THE TRUTH?
 

(10-29-2016, 11:18 AM)Patrick C Wrote:  I have also stated in my opinion that it does not matter which doctor told Kilduff that Kennedy was dead from a bullet to the head. I also stated that one could reasonably assume that the protocol would be to refer to the president's personal physician as the source of all medical statements on the presidents condition even if he was actually not.

I have also stated that he may have been informed by more than one doctor that Kennedy was dead and that we may not know the chronological sequence on that information being passed to Kilduff.

That you have twisted the above into something of your own illogical making accusing me of lying simply re-enforces my assertion that you are dumb - and that is being polite.

Speculation???

YOU'RE USING SPECULATION TO AVOID THE TRUTH???

Malcolm Kilduff has only named one person who described the wounds to him... and that was Dr. Burkley.

Decades later, he named Dr. Perry as the one who told him that JFK was dead.

You're quite desperately conflating the two, trying to remove Dr. Burkley from the record. Then pretending it doesn't matter...

Tell us Patrick, why does the truth upset you so much?