[Ray Mitcham]

8 to 11

[Patrick C]

Ben Holmes Wrote:Once again Patrick refuses to defend the false McAdams tabulation he keeps using.

My crystal ball was, as usual; absolutely correct.

McAdams tabulation is spot on correct Holmes.

Anyway, even if it were a rough TSBD 50:50 Knoll split ref the source of ALL shots....they (Knoll) are still wrong because we know TWO shots came from the REAR.........

[Ben Holmes]

Patrick C Wrote:Around 8 to 10...

So if someone reported a shot coming from that area, how would you differentiate it from the Grassy Knoll?

Or would you like to argue that the Grassy Knoll doesn't appear in that direction?

[Lee Abbott]

Taking time from his ultra-busy workload:

Patrick C Wrote:Nobody. Nobody and Nobody..... Unless you count the three people at the base of the steps one of which is Gordon Arnold.

Of the 6,493 books you've read on this topic, Patrick, it's a pity Michael Benson's "Who's Who in the JFK Assassination" apparently wasn't among them. Gordon Arnold (Gordy to his friends) was standing in front of the wooden fence by the grassy knoll (pgs. 18 & 19).

[Patrick C]

Which bit of "unless you include the 3 guys at the bottom of the steps - one of which was Gordon Arnold" do you not comprehende hombre......?

[Ben Holmes]

Patrick C Wrote:Which bit of "unless you include the 3 guys at the bottom of the steps - one of which was Gordon Arnold" do you not comprehende hombre......?

How about the part where you cite for your claim that Gordon Arnold was one of the three guys at the bottom of the steps???

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_XZYWb4E6o[/youtube]

[Patrick C]

What is that supposed to mean...? Are you trying to be a smart ass...?

How about TMWKK.....

I actually met him as I recall in 87 very briefly after this interview. We were not sure if he really was there, he probably was, but the feeling was he embellished his story as I have posted several times.

[Ben Holmes]

Patrick C Wrote:What is that supposed to mean...? Are you trying to be a smart ass...?

Citing the evidence that proves you wrong is now "smart ass?"

That would make most critics "smart asses..." - since we do this quite regularly... :lol:

Patrick C Wrote:How about TMWKK.....

I actually met him as I recall in 87 very briefly after this interview. We were not sure if he really was there, he probably was, but the feeling was he embellished his story as I have posted several times.

If you're going to cite for your claim, you should do so.

If you're going to refuse to retract a claim you can't cite for, you'll simply be labeled a liar again.

And why are you running from the question: So if someone reported a shot coming from that area, how would you differentiate it from the Grassy Knoll?

[Patrick C]

You make me laugh...What do you mean "cite" for meeting some one...? Do you record your meetings with people and take photos Holmes.....!

This was 30 years ago nearly and it was probably in a coffee shop with Larry Harris. It was not part of a book nor an academic exercise it was "in passing".....

An NO I am NOT a liar. If you don't believe me - tough, I don't give a jot.

"So if someone reported a shot coming from that area, how would you differentiate it from the Grassy Knoll?"

Could you translate that into English please..?

[Ben Holmes]

Patrick C Wrote:You make me laugh...What do you mean "cite" for meeting some one...? Do you record your meetings with people and take photos Holmes.....!

This was 30 years ago nearly and it was probably in a coffee shop with Larry Harris. It was not part of a book nor an academic exercise it was "in passing".....

An NO I am NOT a liar. If you don't believe me - tough, I don't give a jot.

You apparently have a hard time remembering the topic.

Here it is again:

Patrick C Wrote:Unless you count the three people at the base of the steps one of which is Gordon Arnold.

Now, I've challenged you to cite for it, several citations have been posted showing why Gordon Arnold was NOT one of the three people at the base of the steps.

You're a liar, Patrick.

It's a silly lie, since where Gordon Arnold was located makes absolutely no difference in this case whatsoever... but it's still a lie on your part... already cited for, and you ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to cite anything that supports your silly assertion.

It's not a matter of "belief" as you claim... I don't "believe" you to be lying, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE LYING - there's a difference.

You keep making a claim that you refuse to cite for, and refuse to retract when several people provide citations that state otherwise.

Patrick C Wrote:

Ben Holmes Wrote:So if someone reported a shot coming from that area, how would you differentiate it from the Grassy Knoll?

Could you translate that into English please..?

It's not a difficult question, nor was it worded in any manner that should cause confusion to the average reader. So clearly, you must simply be afraid to answer the question.

You stated that the Railroad yards were in the direction of roughly 8-10.

You know, even if you've not publicly stated it, that the Grassy Knoll is ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT DIRECTION.

So if a witness standing at the entry of the TSBD stated that they believed the shots came from the Railroad yards, how do YOU eliminate the Grassy Knoll - since it's ALSO in the same direction?

Fail to answer the question this time, and the charge of cowardice will be directly applied to you, Patrick - fair warning.