[Ben Holmes]

(02-09-2017, 01:17 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  

Ben Holmes Wrote:The GK shooter is well established by the evidence...

No it is NOT.

That's your unsupported opinion. It's a fact, however, that police began running into the Grassy Knoll area right after the shooting, and were ORDERED into that area as the first DPD order after the assassination.

It's also a fact, that you keep denying, and absolutely REFUSE to support, that the majority of witnesses documented in print in the first two days pointed to the Grassy Knoll.
 

(02-09-2017, 01:17 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  

Ben Holmes Wrote:the fact that you've continued to lie about that evidence shows a consciousness of guilt.

Tripe, on the contrary, you are delussional. If there was evidence of a GK shooter, I would readily accept it.

Okay... simply list those eyewitnesses that were documented in print in the first two days who listed where they thought the shots came from.

LIST THEIR NAMES!!
 

(02-09-2017, 01:17 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  

Ben Holmes Wrote:In the first few days, witnesses who were documented in print as to the direction of fire overwhelmingly pointed to the Grassy Knoll.

That is sheer unadulterated nonsense and an out right lie!

The witness testimony overwhelmingly poited toward the TSBD

The truth of course is that about 35 of the witnesses thought ALL the shots came from the front - naturally we know that as two shots came from the rear - this group of people were simply mistaken.

Around ten people thought the shots came from more than one direction.

And of course on 22 Nov 1963 NOT ONE person in Dallas came forward on the day to say they had seen a gunman on the GK or up on the overpass.........yet up to 7 people said they saw a gun being fired from the SE 6th floor window.

Then you won't be afraid to name the witnesses who were documented in print in the first few days, will you?

Go ahead, start the list - I'll add in the ones you miss.

Let's actually see who's lying.
 

Let's actually see who's lying!!

 

(02-09-2017, 01:17 PM)Patrick C Wrote:   

Ben Holmes Wrote:You've repeatedly lied on that fact.

Nope I have not. You on the other hand are the liar - or self delusionist. 

Then you won't be afraid to begin compiling a list of witnesses documented in the first two days...

My crystal ball tells me that I'm going to have to provide you with the list of names, and what they said... because you're starting to realize that I can back up what I say.
 

(02-09-2017, 01:17 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  

Ben Holmes Wrote:In the first few days, witnesses who were documented in print as to the direction of fire overwhelmingly pointed to the Grassy Knoll.

Is a complete fabrication. And frankly a blatent and outright lie.

Then you shouldn't be afraid to start naming the witnesses.

But, as I've already predicted, you'll refuse to do so...
 

(02-09-2017, 01:17 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  

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John McAdams sums up the situation rather well in considering that only some 5 people of the 100+ interviwed thought the shots came from two directions.


"This "two locations" number is exceedingly important. There is
overwhelming evidence that at least some shots were fired from behind
the motorcade. Several witnesses saw a shooter, or at least a gun in
the sixth floor sniper's nest window. The medical evidence is clear
that both Kennedy and Connally were hit from behind (regardless of
whether either was also hit from the front). Once we understand that
at least some shots came from behind, it is hard to see how shots
could also have come from the Grassy Knoll without more witnesses
reporting shots from more than one direction. It begins to look like
some were confused about THE direction of the shots." -- John McAdams


No doubt you will AVOID the sound logic of the above contention that in reality there was no shot from the Knoll.

There's no need to "avoid" the "sound logic" of the above contention - it's based on a lie. Once one realizes that most of the witnesses documented in the first two days pointed to the Grassy Knoll, then the "sound logic" turns upside down. The "sound logic" presupposes that only one shooter was shooting - this simply isn't logical at all. There's no inherent need to restrict the number of shooters to one, other than the government's desire to avoid the fact of conspiracy.

Tell us Patrick, WHAT EVIDENCE PROVES THAT THERE WAS NOT A SHOOTER AT THE GRASSY KNOLL?

(Let the silence begin...)
 

Patrick C Wrote:

Ben Holmes Wrote:But, as Mark Lane pointed out many years ago - the witnesses who were on the record in the first two days, 11/22 and 11/23 - quite overwhelmingly pointed to the Grassy Knoll.

Bull shit - no they did not.

Ben Holmes Wrote:No believer has been able to refute that simple fact.

Oh, if I could be bothered I could easily do that. Mike Majerus certainly has. It's just a question of homework and application.

You've NEVER cited where Mike Majerus has done so, and you've never done the homework.

You're going to have to do the homework now, Patrick...

Because if you don't - I'm going to post the list of witnesses - and what they are documented to have stated in those first few days - and you'll look absolutely wacky & dishonest if you haven't even TRIED to compile a list of the witnesses.