[Ben Holmes]

Patrick C Wrote:

Ben Holmes Wrote:The right question is "Was smoke seen in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63 immediately following the assassination?

And the answer is - indisputably.

Speculation....you have NO idea about that.

You're lying again, Patrick. There's no speculation WHATSOEVER to state that smoke was seen in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63 immediately following the assassination.

Sam Holland Wrote:When they got just about to the Arcade I heard what I thought for the moment was a fire cracker and he slumped over and I looked over toward the arcade and trees and saw a puff of smoke come from the trees and I heard three more shots after the first shot but that was the only puff of smoke I saw. … But the puff of smoke I saw definitely came from behind the arcade through the trees. - WC XIX, pg 480

Ed Johnson Wrote:Some of us saw little puffs of white smoke that seemed to hit the grassy area in the esplanade that divides Dallas’ main downtown streets. - Fort Worth Star–Telegram, 23 November 1963, pg 2

Austin Miller Wrote:I saw something which I thought was smoke or steam coming from a group of trees north of Elm off the Railroad tracks. - WC XIX, pg 485

You may or may not be familiar with all these witnesses, but it's simply not conceivable that you were unaware of eyewitness testimony for smoke in the Grassy Knoll area.

Once again Patrick, you've been caught dead in a lie. Tell us Patrick, will you retract your lie - or simply leave the forum for someplace where there aren't knowledgeable critics who can catch you?

Patrick C Wrote:I can tell you NON of the 20+ people I met who were there said they saw smoke.....not that that proves anything of course.......

I can almost instantly list 100 witnesses who saw no smoke... it would be just as meaningless.

Patrick C Wrote:Would the MC release smoke Holmes...?

Hoover wrote to Rankin in a Sep 23, 1964 letter... Hoover stated that in test firing a Mannlicher Carcano rifle, "a small amount of white smoke was visible. - WC XXVI, pg 811."

Patrick C Wrote:As it was the ONLY weapon fired in the plaza that day it surely would have to in order for you to be correct hey....?

Speculation on your part, Patrick... and NOT supported by the evidence.