[Ben Holmes]

Patrick C Wrote:I would accept that those witnesses thought they saw smoke and perhaps they did.. But that does not prove it was there....you stated it was there "indisputably"......

YOU'RE LYING AGAIN PATRICK

Either produce my statement saying that smoke was indisputably there, or retract your blatant lie!

Patrick C Wrote:I cannot see how you can say it is not disputable....

That's because you've lied about what I stated... it's a strawman you've erected. You cannot deny that witnesses REPORTED seeing smoke.

Patrick C Wrote:Some people said they thought they saw steam.....

Indeed true. And doesn't affect my point at all.

Patrick C Wrote:Perhaps it was flash and smoke from the magic wand of Gandalf down there on the Knoll.....that would be about the only explanation in my book.....

Or, it could be that the historical truth is so devastating to your faith that you have to frequently lie about it.