[Ben Holmes]

David Von Pein Wrote:The fact that so many JFK conspiracy clowns are *also* 9/11 conspiracy clowns is a pleasant thing for LNers like myself to contemplate and evaluate (at least on a visceral level).

Of course, since critics compose up to 90% of the American population - they'd naturally include kooks of all flavors... But this doesn't actually address the evidence. It's merely a false impression created by not mentioning the overwhelming numbers of the American Population that fails to accept the Warren Commission.

Believers, on the other hand, composing a much smaller percentage of the American people, have one over-riding characteristic - THEY AREN'T HONEST.

If they are ignorant of the evidence, they can be as truthful as the next person... but when it comes to believers, "Knowledgeable" and "Truthful" or "Honest" ... can't be said in the same sentence.

Take, for example, this forum's leading believer, Patrick Collins... who has been denying this:

Patrick C Wrote:

Ben Holmes Wrote:But, as Mark Lane pointed out many years ago - the witnesses who were on the record in the first two days, 11/22 and 11/23 - quite overwhelmingly pointed to the Grassy Knoll.

Bull shit - no they did not.

Ben Holmes Wrote:No believer has been able to refute that simple fact.

Oh, if I could be bothered I could easily do that. Mike Majerus certainly has. It's just a question of homework and application.

Instead of denying what is said here, he needs to simply be truthful... he either lied, or he couldn't follow the debate, and got confused about the topic. He needs to SPECIFICALLY address these statements he posted.

And if Patrick were a critic, being truthful wouldn't be so hard... But Patrick is a believer... and his faith makes him dishonest.