[Patrick C]

(02-08-2017, 03:16 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  

(02-08-2017, 01:22 PM)Patrick C Wrote:  

(02-07-2017, 03:03 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  No matter how many times I bring this up, believers run for the hills every single time - and absolutely REFUSE to answer.

Name even a SINGLE eyewitness whom you believe completely in their 1963-1964 statements about what they saw and heard.

Still unanswered.

This demonstrates beyond any possible refutation that believers have faith, not evidence...

For while there are provable liars among the eyewitnesses, *MOST* of the witnesses in this case are quite credible indeed.

Unfortunately for believers, their testimony simply doesn't support the Warren Commission's case - which is why the Warren Commission simply lied about some of that testimony.

And no explanation for this fact has ever been forthcoming from believers...

What AMAZING cowardice!

Are you kidding....there are dozens of witnesses who's statements should be accepted and believed....!

Clint Hill who said he heard two shots.

Paul Landis who said he heard two shots

Zapruder who thought there were two shots - maybe three, but he was not sure if he heard a third.

Brehm who thought initially only two shots and later thought three.....

Sam Holland who thought the shots came from the Knoll area......

These people gave statements that they believed true. There are a hundred more.

Have you lost your marbles Holmes....what kind of a question is that...?

Or is it that you are speaking your own version of the English language and you actually mean something else...?

As is frequently the case.....

It's a question that has never before been answered.

And you've just asserted that you accept and believe that there were only two shots, and that they came from the Knoll.

You clearly are the one who's "lost your marbles"... my question was quite precise. I asked you to "Name even a SINGLE eyewitness whom you believe completely..."

Now, answer three questions:

Cite where any believer has ever before answered this question. (and yes, it's been asked many times)

Explain why YOU missed such a clearly worded question...

And now that you understand the question... no, let me be crystal clear... NAME THE EYEWITNESSES WHOM YOU BELIEVE COMPLETELY IN THE *FACTS* THAT THE EYEWITNESSES STATED THEY'D SEEN AND HEARD IN 1963-1964... I'm not asking you if *they* believed what they stated, I'M ASKING YOU IF YOU BELIEVED WHAT THEY STATED.

(You'll evade and run, of course... thus proving just who "lost their marbles")

 

(02-08-2017, 03:16 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  It's a question that has never before been answered.

And you've just asserted that you accept and believe that there were only two shots, and that they came from the Knoll.

Nope I made no such assertion. I stated clearly that there were either two or three shots from the rear. Your comment is idiotic.

(02-08-2017, 03:16 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  You clearly are the one who's "lost your marbles"... my question was quite precise. I asked you to "Name even a SINGLE eyewitness whom you believe completely..."

Nope, you just don't understand plain English because [Ad hominem Removed]

(02-08-2017, 03:16 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  Now, answer three questions:

Cite where any believer has ever before answered this question. (and yes, it's been asked many times)

That is a meaningless point. The consistancy of individual eye witness testimony has been cited many times by many authors over many years. Clint Hill for example maintains to this day that he heard only two shots. He accepts that he could simplu have not heard a third shot.
 

(02-08-2017, 03:16 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  Explain why YOU missed such a clearly worded question...

Not a chance - your question was just stupid.

(02-08-2017, 03:16 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  And now that you understand the question... no, let me be crystal clear... NAME THE EYEWITNESSES WHOM YOU BELIEVE COMPLETELY IN THE *FACTS* THAT THE EYEWITNESSES STATED THEY'D SEEN AND HEARD IN 1963-1964... I'm not asking you if *they* believed what they stated, I'M ASKING YOU IF YOU BELIEVED WHAT THEY STATED.

Yes I absolutely belive what they stated, that they were being honest, but not necessarily historically accurate. Witness testimony is notoriously unreliable. This is why the question is plain silly.

(02-08-2017, 03:16 PM)Ben Holmes Wrote:  (You'll evade and run, of course... thus proving just who "lost their marbles")

Well I just proved you wrong again didn't I Holmes.

[Ad hominem attacks Deleted]

Pip Pip.

PS The new Flip de May book is rather good - he does believe some one else fired Oswald's rifle.....but he dismisses the GK shooter fairy tale that gullible ill informed conspiracy sensationalists like you believe in.