[Garry Puffer]

Ben Holmes Wrote:

Garry Puffer Wrote:The photo on the left below is undoubtedly an interesting fake. I am suspicious because the noise in the photo would probably cover up any manipulation. Besides, why should there be so much noise anyway?

I post this only as part of an ongoing discussion about the photos.
BYPs.jpg

Subject to correction (as I'm going by memory here...) But I'm under the impression that the photo on the right was 'discovered' in the 90's... and the one on the left was known back in 193-64 time period as a DPD 'recreation' photo.

Demonstrating that the DPD knew about the photo on the right back in 1963.

That's the story as I recall it, but I can't cite anything off the top of my head...

Perhaps, but please notice that the bodies are exactly the same, down to folds in clothing, fingers, etc., so it's kind of hard to believe a recreation was that exact, don't you think?

[Ben Holmes]

Garry Puffer Wrote:

Ben Holmes Wrote:

Garry Puffer Wrote:The photo on the left below is undoubtedly an interesting fake. I am suspicious because the noise in the photo would probably cover up any manipulation. Besides, why should there be so much noise anyway?

I post this only as part of an ongoing discussion about the photos.
BYPs.jpg

Subject to correction (as I'm going by memory here...) But I'm under the impression that the photo on the right was 'discovered' in the 90's... and the one on the left was known back in 193-64 time period as a DPD 'recreation' photo.

Demonstrating that the DPD knew about the photo on the right back in 1963.

That's the story as I recall it, but I can't cite anything off the top of my head...

Perhaps, but please notice that the bodies are exactly the same, down to folds in clothing, fingers, etc., so it's kind of hard to believe a recreation was that exact, don't you think?

Ah! I see what you're getting at. Now that I pay attention to the background... I'd certainly like to see the originals, but I'm guessing that if both are authentic, and not forgeries, it would pretty much prove that the BY photos are fraudulent.

(If you can correctly untangle that sentence! )

Subject to viewing real photos (and not online images), I'd have to agree, it's downright impossible to match the backgrounds so perfectly...

Mark Ulrik claims interest in the photographic evidence - let's see if he'll weigh in.

[Garry Puffer]

This is David Joseph's comment on the photo:

"While Roscoe White’s involvement is an acceptable theory there are also other images of the
BYP circulating the internet which suggest something else entirely. Sources which desire to
remain nameless have suggested that there is another provenance for the BYPs... I was
provided the following (on the left) and was also able to find it in an internet search. The
images are identical except from the chin up. Many feel this too may be a False Flag trail
keeping the true nature of the photo out of reach. Truth rea lly is stranger than Fiction."
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For a critical view of the entire Roscoe White episode, see the essay“I Was Mandarin”
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David Josephs' BYP article is at
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[Ben Holmes]

Re: False Flags...

Should critics come down hard on a particular conspiracy laden theory about the two photos - the CIA (through the media) would be able to 'yank the sheets away' - so to speak.

I've long thought that a number of widely known "critics" are really false flag operations... so such a thought about these photos wouldn't be out of line.

[Garry Puffer]

Ben Holmes Wrote:Re: False Flags...

Should critics come down hard on a particular conspiracy laden theory about the two photos - the CIA (through the media) would be able to 'yank the sheets away' - so to speak.

I've long thought that a number of widely known "critics" are really false flag operations... so such a thought about these photos wouldn't be out of line.

Could you expand on your thoughts, please? I'm not really following what you're saying here.

[Ben Holmes]

Garry Puffer Wrote:

Ben Holmes Wrote:Re: False Flags...

Should critics come down hard on a particular conspiracy laden theory about the two photos - the CIA (through the media) would be able to 'yank the sheets away' - so to speak.

I've long thought that a number of widely known "critics" are really false flag operations... so such a thought about these photos wouldn't be out of line.

Could you expand on your thoughts, please? I'm not really following what you're saying here.

Let me give you an example... Greer Shot JFK.

A False Flag operation that had critics running in circles, and was easily shown to be the sheerest of nonsense. I'm not saying it was a false flag operation, only that it certainly looked like one.

Every once in a while you see a document floating around that's just too good to be true... such as one that was asserting that Oswald was CIA. There's no reason a critic would create such a false document, but it's easy to see why believers, or intelligence agencies would do so.

Perhaps I'm not really speaking of a 'False Flag' per se...

Maybe the terminology should be different.

But the JFK field is over-run with people who aren't honest & serious about what they are doing.

[Garry Puffer]

Ah, I see what you mean. This photo is indeed too good to be true, which is another reason I'm suspicious of it.

Josephs also refers to it as a "False Flag," and I guess that's kind of correct. We are supposed to jump on board and connect Roscoe White to the photos, which is a small step because we've already connected him.

All I know is that I got the same chills when viewing this photo for the first time that Helen Markham got when viewing Number Two in the line-up. :roll:

[Garry Puffer]

Here is an oddity. When the Carcano in the Backyard Photographs is compared to the Carcano in the National Archives, they do not appear to be the same weapon.

What can explain this?


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[Patrick C]

Wishful thinking on the conspiracy side....?

[Ben Holmes]

Patrick C Wrote:Wishful thinking on the conspiracy side....?

This recalls the statement made by Patrick regarding the two weapons seen in the Alyea film... wishful thinking turned one of them into part of a cardboard box.

Patrick C Wrote:As for the pics (Alya film stills?) looks like a folded up cardboard box side on to me Holmes. As per your U Haul boxes before you put them together - it clearly has a fold in the middle as the object is not straight.....new glasses Holmes....?